@ColinTGraham Hello everyone and welcome to today's #mathchat

Mon May 23 19:30:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72746270363619329 - #1

@chris_1974 @ColinTGraham hello! #mathchat

Mon May 23 19:31:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72746375103782912 - #2

@ColinTGraham If it's your first time, try to interact with one or two people. Things can
sometimes move fast! And don't forget the --> #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:32:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72746643329523713 - #3

@ColinTGraham @chris_1974 Hi Chris #mathchat

Mon May 23 19:32:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72746699264753665 - #4

@ColinTGraham Today's topic is: "What does or should a student maths journal look
like?" #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:32:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72746838737944576 - #5

@Janshs hello it's #Mathchat and #EdLdrs and Chelsea on telly aaarrgghh
Mon May 23 19:33:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72746940835704833 - #6

@padgets #mathchat Hi everybody! My name is Sharon and I am a HS science teacher

lurking and a learnin! :)
Mon May 23 19:33:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72746958934118400 - #7

@mathsatschool #mathchat would love to join this one (great topic) but Charlie Bone
needs reading :-(
Mon May 23 19:33:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72747107940970496 - #8

@chris_1974 @padgets hello! Welcome to our merry band! #mathchat

Mon May 23 19:33:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72747110461751296 - #9

@Janshs RT @ColinTGraham: Today's topic is: "What does or should a student maths
journal look like?" #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:33:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72747111556456448 - #10

@ColinTGraham Last time, we got a bit hung up on why journals were needed, and didn't
sort out too clearly who they were written for #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:34:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72747151096168448
727471510961 - #11

@Eduware_Inc Hello #mathchat!

#mathchat! We're excited to participate in today's discussion!
discus
Mon May 23 19:34:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72747160113917953 - #12

@angierumsey I'm a third grade teacher thinking about using math journals next
year#mathchat
Mon May 23 19:35:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72747411960901632 - #13

Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
 @mathfour RT @ColinTGraham: Today's topic is: "What does or should a student maths
journal look like?" #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:35:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72747524837998593 - #15

@ColinTGraham @padgets Hi Sharon. I know you use journals in Science. How are they
different from your lab books or are they? #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:35:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72747588780163072 - #16

@Janshs @ColinTGraham excellent question, LJ must help stdts reflect on their learning
but I do think it's important tchr can 'understand' #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:36:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72747800152113152 - #17

@teachdig Hi #mathchat So I love the idea of math journels, but how do others
other keep up
with responding to them. With 2 math & 3 physics I find it hard.
Mon May 23 19:36:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72747820481908736 - #18

@mathfour #mathchat I'd like to have my own math journal. Not sure what it is, though.
Mon May 23 19:37:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72747913251524608 - #19

@padgets #mathchat well we use blogger to talk about current events, things at school
and what we have discovered the previous week in science
Mon May 23 19:37:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72747938450915328 - #20

@chris_1974 @teachdig mine are on VLE. I get email when updated. still early slow days.
#mathchat
Mon May 23 19:37:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72748037449072641 - #21

@ColinTGraham @angierumsey Hi Angie. How do you see the journals working...

separating the mathematics or keeping it as part of the whole? #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:37:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72748102234275841 - #22

@Eduware_Inc Keeping math journals seems like a great way to keep kids active in their
learning experience. Has anyone tried an online version? #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:38:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72748129195278336 - #23

@Janshs @chris_1974 love the idea of camera & video; I'd also like to get audio LJ going
soon #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:38:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72748151622213632 - #24

@angierumsey I'm thinking spiral with practice problems of math concepts so parents can
see progress and kids can look back for review #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:38:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72748359567425537 - #25

@chris_1974 Our Y9 curriculum is going to be somewhat suspended for rest of yr

(http://bit.ly/jkGMC9 ) May introduce journals with my set 5/8 #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:38:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72748374503342080 - #26

Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
 @chris_1974 @Janshs #evernote.
#evernote. Job Done! You'll have to get for your
eyefone.#mathchat
Mon May 23 19:39:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72748484985503744 - #27

@ColinTGraham To help those who haven't used journals in maths before, how have
those of you who have get them started or use them? #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:39:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72748628862709760 - #28

@angierumsey I'm such visual person, I want to see one #mathchat

Mon May 23 19:40:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72748666640797697 - #29

@mathfour #mathchat I did a type of math journal in grad school. Not sure if that's the
same as our topic, though.
Mon May 23 19:40:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72748822434025472 - #30

@ColinTGraham Would you do something similar with other areas? RT @angierumsey:

separate math journal - just math in the math journal. #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:41:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72748977585532928 - #31

@padgets #mathchat different from our lab books as they are open ended, more opinion
than fact but based on the learning that has taken place
Mon May 23 19:42:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72749150114033664 - #32

@Janshs @chris_1974 oh crikey I knew this tech stuff would get me in the end :-
:
)#mathchat
Mon May 23 19:42:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72749186805809152 - #33

@ColinTGraham @chris_1974 How public are the journals? Can everyone in the year
group read them or just you and the individual student? #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:42:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72749203981484032 - #34

@padgets #mathchat as of right now our journals are private but am thinking with more
instruction they could be public next year
Mon May 23 19:43:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72749418834698240 - #35

@chris_1974 @ColinTGraham just me and student at moment. Would like to work around
more public, but start small! #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:43:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72749452498173952 - #36

@Eduware_Inc Has anyone used math journals with other technologies? We'd love to
hear how creative teachers are with this. #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:43:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72749518709469184 - #37

@padgets #mathchat as I read them I get to know my students better, how they think how
they process things, they also get to know me
Mon May 23 19:43:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72749611500048384 - #38

Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
 @ColinTGraham @mathfour Well I see the journal as being like a diary, this is what I did,
this is what I learned, this is what I want to do #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:44:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72749665623355392 - #40

@padgets #mathchat we used twiducate and blogger this year

Mon May 23 19:44:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72749709646770177 - #41

@Eduware_Inc @padgets Do you think using twiducate and blogger helped your math
journal experience? #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:45:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72749920364396545 - #42

@padgets @Eduware_Inc #mathchat I am a HS science teacher :) but yes I have heard

from our English folks that they have seen a difference
Mon May 23 19:45:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72750072248549377 - #43

@chris_1974 @Eduware_Inc Journal on VLE, and I encourage Ss to use evernote or

similar to put picures of graphs etc into their journal. #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:45:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72750136538828800 - #44

@padgets #mathchat I teach 9th graders

Mon May 23 19:46:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72750141915926528 - #45

@angierumsey @ColinTGraham I already have a writing journal. We are 1:1 and don't
use the writing journal as much. #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:46:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72750271343767552 - #46

@Janshs @chris_1974 @ColinTGraham I have used private, also within the class via wiki
or VLE, both work well but different ... #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:46:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72750304805920769 - #47

@ColinTGraham @chris_1974 @padgets I could see one role of teacher feedback being
to say to Ss: you should publish this on the class blog... #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:46:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72750343825530881 - #48

@ColinTGraham @angierumsey My Library tagged journals math http://bit.ly/l0YMIf the

second site on this list of mine should help you Angie! #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:47:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72750538474795008 - #49

@chris_1974 #mathchat couple of screen shots of e.g. of journal

here...http://jbsmaths.blogspot.com/2011/04/smartphone
http://jbsmaths.blogspot.com/2011/04/smartphone-apps-for-learning.html
learning.html
Mon May 23 19:47:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72750553779806208 - #50

@chris_1974 #mathchat.. Got to go get miss10 from guides... back in a bit!

Mon May 23 19:47:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72750640010493953 - #51

Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
 @Eduware_Inc @padgets & @chris_1974 That's really interesting. How do your students
like being online? #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:48:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72750682976960512 - #52

@padgets #mathchat @ColinTGraham we have used the wiki discussion board but did
not work as well as the others
Mon May 23 19:48:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72750757975293952 - #53

@padgets @Eduware_Inc #mathchat they love it because it is their world the hard
h part
was teaching them that is was not Facebook :)
Mon May 23 19:49:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72750932529647618 - #54

@ColinTGraham @chris_1974 OK see you later! #mathchat

Mon May 23 19:49:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72751113656471552 - #56

@padgets #mathchat When I showed them my blog, it was ok then, before it was
something they had not thought of doing
Mon May 23 19:50:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72751389243215872 - #57

@Janshs RT @chris_1974: #mathchat couple of screen shots of e.g. of journal

here...http://jbsmaths.blogspot.com/2011/04/smartphone
http://jbsmaths.blogspot.com/2011/04/smartphone-apps-for-lea ...
Mon May 23 19:51:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72751505731633152 - #58

@ColinTGraham What do you see as being the primary role of a journal in maths
lessons? as opposed to, say, blogs/other forms of writing #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:51:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72751542037516289 - #59

@padgets #mathchat i think of it as a way to formative assess

Mon May 23 19:51:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72751649638195201 - #60

@Eduware_Inc RT @ColinTGraham: What do you see as being the primary role of a

journal in maths lessons? #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:52:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72751760996966400 - #61

@teachdig @chris_1974 What is VLE? I think I should know this, but I don't. #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:52:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72751766625714177 - #62

@Janshs a sort of class LJ can be useful too; have sometimes got stdts to come & write
on IWB eg how do you add fractions? then another .. #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:52:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72751777988100096 - #63

@Janshs .... sdts comes up & answers - a bit like passing notes in class or a live stream
#mathchat
Mon May 23 19:53:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72751906384134144 - #64

Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
 @ColinTGraham @teachdig A VLE is a Virtual Learning Environment, sometimes called
a School Management System... homework, schedules blogs etc. #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:53:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72752068280070144 - #65

@Eduware_Inc @Janshs Do you see this helping your students better understand the
material? #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:53:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72752139956523008 - #66

@ColinTGraham @padgets Do you do the formative assessment or try to get Ss involved

in assessing themselves... reflective learning #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:54:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72752310371106816 - #67

@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat I do both, depends on the subject and how much
time we have
Mon May 23 19:55:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72752445666762753 - #68

@ColinTGraham @Janshs So one function of LJ, class or individual, is to record what

happens in class... as it happens? record of process? #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:55:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72752653330952193 - #69

@teachdig @ColinTGraham I think of journals in a few ways: attitude, process and

comments. A former colleague shared lots of prompts w/me. #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:57:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72752938967244800 - #70

@Janshs @Eduware_Inc I hope it makes them think about how they learn/solve
etc#mathchat
Mon May 23 19:57:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72753018914869248 - #71

@chris_1974 For me the journal is about the student having a record of learning or topics.
My comments just for help. #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:57:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72753083800752128 - #72

@ColinTGraham Something mentioned last time was that Ss got bored with having to
reflect at the end of each lesson. So how does the timing work? #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:57:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72753113282510848 - #73

@Janshs @ColinTGraham I think so, I like stdts to use LJ to record their thought
processes at the time as well as reflecting later #mathchat
Mon May 23 19:58:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72753234774736896 - #74

@padgets #mathchat well about to end the school day and start extra help period, take
care and tweet you all next time! :0)
Mon May 23 19:58:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72753298855305217 - #75

@Eduware_Inc Has anyone seen one way of math journals work better than others?
Online (public to the class) versus in print (more private)? #mathchat
Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
Mon May 23 19:58:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72753402781769728 - #76

@ColinTGraham @padgets Thanks for joining us Sharon. #mathchat

Mon May 23 19:59:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72753437007298562 - #77

@padgets @ColinTGraham :0) #mathchat

Mon May 23 19:59:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72753514660638721 - #78

@Eduware_Inc Thanks for all the insight #mathchat participants!

Mon May 23 19:59:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72753621258870784 - #79

@ColinTGraham For those who have used LJs for some time, does each follow a
'structure' or open-ended
ended prompts/free-form?
prompts/free #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:01:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72753955028996097 - #80

@Janshs RT @ColinTGraham: For those who have used LJs for some time, does each
follow a 'structure' or open-ended
ended prompts/free-form?
prompts/free #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:01:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72754146457034752 - #81

@Janshs @ColinTGraham I think mainly freeform but with lots guidance (esp in
KS3)#mathchat
Mon May 23 20:02:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72754352221200384 - #82

@teachdig How often do you have Ss complete a journal entry? #mathchat

Mon May 23 20:03:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72754453144535040 - #83

@teachdig I have same Ss for math & sci grade 8... was thinking of 1 journal for both
topic. Use tags for sorting later? Yes/no? Pros/cons? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:03:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72754646376120322 - #84

@ColinTGraham @Janshs So you're talking here about early secondary (11+) Jan. How
do you introduce Ss to journals if they've never done them? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:04:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72754690814779392
727 - #85

@teachdig @padgets Thanks for your input. :) #mathchat

Mon May 23 20:04:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72754796926476288 - #86

@Eduware_Inc @teachdig It seems like a blog format would work best for what you're
trying to accomplish! #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:04:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72754890505601024 - #87

@ColinTGraham @teachdig If you have a physical book to write in, maybe separate, but
electronical journals could use tags for sorting/cross-ref
sorting/cross #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:05:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72754959195705345 - #88

Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
 @teachdig @Eduware_Inc That is what I was thinking. We use Moodle at school, so I
could use that maybe though not in love with the format. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:05:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72755152012058624
72 - #89

@Janshs @ColinTGraham I mainly only teach Yr 11 nowadays but some remember that I
showed them the idea in lower sch; I actually often .....#mathchat
.....
Mon May 23 20:06:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72755417662492672 - #90

@ColinTGraham @chris_1974 When you are commenting, how do you frame

comments? Is there ever a tendancy to want to 'correct' or 'grade'? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:07:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72755509136068608
727555091 - #91

@Janshs @ColinTGraham ... set as a hw task to start with & sell it as 'easy' but then we
share & build etc. .... #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:07:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72755585954750466 - #92

@ColinTGraham @Janshs How long is it before Ss start seeing an impact on their own
learning, if they do? And do they evolve the format of the LJ #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:09:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72755961135239168 - #93

@teachdig @ColinTGraham Was thinking of electronic. Need to decide if using Moodle or

another platform. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:09:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72755988696014848 - #94

@Eduware_Inc @teachdig Would you make their online math journals accessible to all
students? For peer comments? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:09:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72756120015470593 - #95

@chris_1974 @ColinTGraham no, constructive comments and have you thoufht abouts.
#mathchat
Mon May 23 20:10:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72756281101926400 - #96

@ColinTGraham @teachdig One issue to consider with an online approach is whether or

not Ss have access 24/7... what
hat happens when they leave schl #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:11:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72756565949693952 - #98

@Janshs @ColinTGraham it varies of course but they often react positively when I give
them examples & success stories #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:12:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72756700519735296 - #99

@teachdig @Janshs Even my 11th Ss would not find this an easy task since it is not their
1st language. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:12:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72756751237251072 - #100

@teachdig @Eduware_Inc I don't know. Probably not at the start. It would be something
to grow into maturity wise. #mathchat
Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
Mon May 23 20:13:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72756948365361152 - #102

@Janshs @teachdig fair point - context is all #mathchat

Mon May 23 20:13:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72756999863025666 - #103

@ColinTGraham @teachdig @Janshs The language issue is a good point. If a LJ is for

reflection, then Ss should probably be writing in their L1 #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:13:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72757049766850560 - #104

@Janshs #mathchat is it only Maths that LJ is good for?

Mon May 23 20:14:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72757217207664641 - #106

@ColinTGraham @chris_1974 Key point here, maybe, is to highlight that writing in the
journal is not the same as 'formal' presentations of maths. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:14:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72757345695965186 - #107

@teachdig @ColinTGraham My biggest issue is always keeping up with reading &

comments. So how often to do them for
f effectiveness. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:15:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72757486670708736 - #108

@ColinTGraham Good question. I think they aren't used nearly enough as they could be,
though. RT @Janshs: #mathchat is it only Maths that LJ is good for?
Mon May 23 20:15:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72757583408152576
7 - #109

@ColinTGraham @teachdig Maybe stagger reading, don't try to read a whole class every
time. Sometimes you can give 'too much' feedback! #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:17:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72757962871029760 - #110

@teachdig @ColinTGraham My other issue here would be to correct English or not since
all Ss EAL. Feel disservice not doing it. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:17:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72758157138599936
72758157138599 - #111

@teachdig @ColinTGraham Good idea in terms of feedback. #mathchat

Mon May 23 20:18:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72758400836059138 - #112

@ColinTGraham @teachdig Personally, I don't think there should ever be correction in a

journal. Maybe note errors separately & work into lesson #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:19:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72758618260373504 - #113

@teachdig In some ways I think the journal should be what the Ss use to explore ideas...
more self guided. How to get this to happen? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:19:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72758624337932288 - #114

@teachdig @ColinTGraham True but part of my role as one of their classes in Eng since
bilingual schl is Eng instruction. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:21:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72759113431531521 - #115

Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
 @Sundayteatime #mathchat in an ideal world I'd like them to include maths they
th had
encountered in day to day life. I may start one of these myself.
Mon May 23 20:21:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72759196713615362 - #116

@chris_1974 @ColinTGraham absolutely. different things altogether. Journal more

reflective. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:22:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72759316435841024 - #117

@ColinTGraham When you are giving guidance to newbies to LJ, how do you handle it
Jan? What types of examples do you provide? @Janshs #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:22:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72759383595028480 - #118

@chris_1974 @Sundayteatime I try to get Ss to write for the blog for that.Maybe taking
key bits of journal for the blog; publishing best bits? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:23:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72759585785643008 - #119

@ColinTGraham @Sundayteatime So just one or two observations or 'mathy' questions

that happened outside class too... photos? videos? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:23:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72759618786426880 - #120

@Janshs @ColinTGraham I do tend to be quite errmm didcatic at 1st; "this would be a

good thing to put in your LJ" etc. also ask them .... #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:24:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72759864346161152
7 - #121

@ColinTGraham @teachdig I think it changes the reader-writer

reader writer relationship if the LJ is
also 'corrected'. It may be seen more as an assignment... #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:24:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72759953479319552 - #122

@Janshs @ColinTGraham ... to set page out a certain way to start with #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:25:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72759979706286080 - #123

@Janshs @ColinTGraham I also photocopy good ones and/or flash stuff from VLE up in
IWB (w/ permission of course) #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:25:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72760173877411840 - #124

@chris_1974 @ColinTGraham I agree with @Janshs. "Put this in your journal", at start of
journals. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:26:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72760221021372416 - #125

@Sundayteatime @ColinTGraham ooh yes all of that #mathchat in reality I doubt this
would happen. Spent a month trying to get them to listen to a maths blog
Mon May 23 20:26:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72760228696956928 - #126

@ColinTGraham @Janshs I don't have any problem with being didactic. In some ways a
fairly tight format makes it easier to produce something #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:26:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72760325535051776
72760 - #127

Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
 @ColinTGraham Should the journal be kept as the class proceeds, at the end of the class,
beginning of class, at home, or a mix? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:28:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72760912624369664 - #128

@Janshs I think maybe we need to provide criteria for what we think makes a 'good' LJ
too #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:28:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72760938402545664 - #129

@ColinTGraham @Janshs successful or productive LJ may be a better term than

'good' ;-) #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:29:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72761175858884608 - #130

@Janshs RT @ColinTGraham Shd journal be kept as the class proceeds, at the end of
the class, beginning of class, at home, or a mix? #mathchat > all
Mon May 23 20:30:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72761221660688384 - #131

@Janshs RT @ColinTGraham @Janshs successful or productive LJ may be a better term

than 'good' ;-) #mathchat >> yes, agreed
Mon May 23 20:31:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72761488770736128 - #132

@chris_1974 @ColinTGraham all of above. But as I don't have ICT in class if I am using
online jrnl it will by neccessity be written up at home #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:31:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72761563555168256 - #133

@ColinTGraham @Sundayteatime Maybe asking Ss to write comments in a journal on

something they've had to listen to would be an approach... #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:31:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72761604659359744 - #134

@Janshs sorry I seem to be mainly Rt ing #mathchat tonight - all good points tho :-)
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Mon May 23 20:31:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72761656299622401 - #135

@Janshs sorry I seem to be mainly Rt ing #mathchat tonight - all good points tho :-)
Mon May 23 20:32:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72761761018814465 - #136

@Sundayteatime #mathchat we are planning to do this with A level next year and use
them at the end of topics and keep them in the classroom
Mon May 23 20:33:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72762020675588099 - #137

@ColinTGraham @chris_1974 How does access to ICT affect what you'd like to do? Do
you/will you use flipcams/digicams/mics to record for example? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:33:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72762051633758208 - #138

@ColinTGraham @Sundayteatime How would this work, as a review document or to

'capture' thoughts at different points? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:34:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72762362553303040 - #139

Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
 @Sundayteatime @ColinTGraham #mathchat revision aid I think is its main purpose at
the mo
Mon May 23 20:35:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72762696638005248 - #141

@ColinTGraham @Sundayteatime So probably more like a notebook... maybe not quite

the same as a learning journal... #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:36:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72762901261324288 - #142

@chris_1974 @ColinTGraham at moment restricted to using Ss phone cameras. Would

like to try more. Again, maybe with
ith Y9. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:36:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72762911705153537 - #143

@chris_1974 me too for now. RT @Sundayteatime: @ColinTGraham #mathchatrevision

aid I think is its main purpose at the mo
Mon May 23 20:36:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72762970186334208 - #144

@ColinTGraham How often would going back, re-reading

re reading and reflecting on prior entries
be part of what you ask Ss to do? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:38:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72763250432946176 - #145

@republicofmath Don't know if this counts as "journal" - my students have to record their
work on Wordpress blogs, viewable by all. ... #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:38:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72763364882915328
72763364882 - #146

@ColinTGraham It wasn't defined as such, part of today's topic! RT @Sundayteatime:

what was the definition of learning journal again? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:39:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72763614561435648 - #147

@republicofmath ... expect them to record backtracks, unexpected findings, things that
worked other than how they thought: record of actual work #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:39:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72763718009761792
72 - #148

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath This always seems to be an unclear area, Gary. When

is a journal a journal, and not just a record of work? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:40:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72763878911651841 - #149

@Janshs @ColinTGraham I ask stdts 2 use 4 revision - getting LJ down to smaller &
smaller amount #mathchat also wondering how word clouds cd B used?
Mon May 23 20:41:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72764232122380288 - #150

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath What you are describing seems more like a lab-book
lab
in science... For me, journals need to have opinion/reflection #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:42:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72764269606875137 - #151

@Janshs @ColinTGraham @republicofmath when you are thinking about your thinking ....
#mathchat
Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
Mon May 23 20:43:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72764496443215872 - #152

@ColinTGraham @Janshs @republicofmath Yes, and also thinking about what you'd like
to try or explore next. Reflecting on prior thoughts, etc. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:44:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72764858113859584 - #153

@teachdig @ColinTGraham That is true. I need to think about how to do this.#mathchat

this.
Mon May 23 20:46:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72765281348489216 - #154

@ColinTGraham One of problems we face, in maths especially, is that Ss have

expectations about what mathematical writing looks like... #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:47:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72765528447520769 - #155

@republicofmath Person best known for getting #math students to keep reflective
journals is Andrew Waywood - called it "writing to learn" #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:48:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72765838758903808 - #156

@ColinTGraham I think if we ourselves are not clear about the purpose of the LJ, then it
could blur into something
ng which loses functionality. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:49:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72766029201281025 - #157

@republicofmath Turns out meta-cognition-

meta thinking about your thinking - is just thinking:
that is, just cognition. @ColinTGraham @janshs #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:49:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72766223233978368
727662232 - #158

@ColinTGraham English teachers, for example, can 'sell' free-form

free form writing as part of
learning the subject. It may be more challenging for us. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:50:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72766360370946048 - #159

@republicofmath @ColinTGraham what do you mean by free-from

free from writing?#mathchat
writing?
Mon May 23 20:51:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72766666148286464 - #160

@ColinTGraham Last ten minutes or so... any final thoughts or advice about the
shape/form/use of LJs in maths lessons? #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:51:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72766712583421952 - #161

@teachdig @ColinTGraham The idea of capturing learning is what makes me want them
to have a paper journal that we could take out anytime. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:51:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72766722800754688 - #162

@republicofmath @ColinTGraham Whoops! "Free-form"

"Free not free--from!! #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:52:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72766864383676416 - #163

@republicofmath Whatever form journal takes, students should be able to look at

previuos entries and see growth. (IMO) #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:53:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72767174493745153 - #164

Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
 @ColinTGraham @republicofmath free-form
free form would be writing which is 'free-from'
'free the
expected academic formats. "I'd've liked to have tried... so" #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:53:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72767198954930176 - #165

@chris_1974 @teachdig @ColinTGraham i like idea of capture all at time (paper / phone
based), but then refined later (ict) #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:53:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72767231926353920 - #166

@teachdig @chris_1974 @ColinTGraham That is a cool idea. Will add that idea to my
reflection as I think about next yr. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:54:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72767445584187392 - #167

@teachdig Gotta run now. Thanks for a great #mathchat as usual.

Mon May 23 20:54:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72767501313916928 - #168

@ColinTGraham @teachdig The beauty of the page is the easy of drawing

diagrams/sketching etc. But as @chris_1974 says "multi-media"
"multi collection #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:55:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72767511598346240 - #169

@republicofmath @ColinTGraham Then my student's writing is free-form

free #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:55:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72767554787082240 - #170

@ColinTGraham @teachdig Glad you could join us this week Dvora! #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:55:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72767603982073856 - #171

@chris_1974 @teachdig @ColinTGraham shots of Nadia's page on the blog shows it off
beautifully to me. #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:56:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72767773348077568 - #172

@ColinTGraham For me, what sets a journal apart from other forms of writing is that it's
an internal conversation, with teacher eavesdropping #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:57:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72768080887021568 - #173

@ColinTGraham So I see a journal as having an audience of two at most (more if the

student decides to share parts of it later) when written #mathchat
Mon May 23 20:58:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72768399767371776
72768 - #174

@ColinTGraham A little, but written for an audience 'at large'... "I would caution..." RT
@republicofmath Then my student's writing is free-form
free #mathchat
Mon May 23 21:00:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72768969173508097 - #175

@Janshs what is the role of CPD in spreading use of LJs? or does it not matter enough to
roll out? #mathchat
Mon May 23 21:01:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72769040132747264 - #176

Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)
 @chris_1974 @Janshs good Qu. I'm not going to push too hard until I've got it working for
me (not yet!). #mathchat
Mon May 23 21:01:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72769240813416448 - #177

@ColinTGraham OK, that's it for another day. Thanks for your contributions everyone. As
usual we end with a provocative question (@Janshs)... #mathchat
Mon May 23 21:01:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72769267048792064 - #178

@Janshs @ColinTGraham LOL what are you sayinjg ... ? #mathchat

Mon May 23 21:02:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72769479234433024 - #179

@ColinTGraham Voting for this week's topic will be online very shortly, watch this space!
#mathchat
Mon May 23 21:02:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72769485567823873 - #180

@Janshs @ColinTGraham thanks for another great chat Colin and all #mathchat
Mon May 23 21:03:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72769588764483584 - #181

@ColinTGraham @Janshs If it's not you, there's always someone else (me!) who throws
out a 'big' question right at the end! #mathchat
Mon May 23 21:04:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72769955103375360 - #182

@republicofmath Whatever you're drinking, I want @ColinTGraham A little, but written for
an audience 'at large'... "I would caution..." RT ... #mathchat
Mon May 23 21:05:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 72770111571890178 - #183

Monday, 23rd May 2011 What does or should a student maths journal look like? (follow up discussion)