@ColinTGraham Hello everyone and welcome to today's #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:01:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81511628583088128 - #1

@ColinTGraham For first times or newcomers, don't try to follow everything - just interact first-times with one or two people at first. Don't forget the --> #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:01:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81511846582038528 - #2

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham Looks like I logged on just in time #mathchat ColinTGraham

Fri Jun 17 00:02:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81511920137551872 - #3

@padgets yea break time #mathchat here I come!

Fri Jun 17 00:02:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81512021513875456 - #4

@ColinTGraham If you need to do a long tweet, make sure the #mathchat is near the beginning so the archive picks it up.
Fri Jun 17 00:02:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81512058096586752 - #5

@ColinTGraham Hi Andrea, Hi Sharon! #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:03:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81512182851964928 - #6

@padgets #mathchat My name is SHaron and I am a HS science teacher from Iowa lurking, learning and trying to do a grad assig assignment :)
Fri Jun 17 00:03:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81512259100225536 - #7

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham If they go 2 tweetchat.com & enter mathchat, they can c tweetchat.com only tweets w/the hashtag & its automatically entered 4 them #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:03:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81512266838720512 - #8

@ColinTGraham Today's topic is: "How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?" #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:03:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81512268336074752 - #9

@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat Hi there!

Fri Jun 17 00:03:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81512324023857152 - #10

@TedGJohnston Part of the problem is that some teachers don't view math this way#mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:04:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81512606283730945 - #11

@ColinTGraham So, at what stage, if any, do you think students start 'separating' the curriculum or is it a methodology issue? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:05:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81512718988886016 - #12

@letriceallen I would say tasks that have multiple skills/standards embedded so that they can see connections. This is sometimes easier said #mathchat
Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?

Fri Jun 17 00:05:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81512810194026496 - #13

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham I would say tasks that have multiple skills/standards tasks embedded so that they can see connections. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:06:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81513005828931584 - #14

@ColinTGraham @TedGJohnston Hi Ted, glad you found us! What do you mean when you say "some teachers don't view math this way"? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:06:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81513063701942272 - #15

@mrsd5107 RT @ColinTGraham: Hello everyone and welcome to today's #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:07:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81513233336369152 - #16

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham I believe that when math is no longer fun, loses context, and becomes a load of skills without meaning. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:07:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81513266802737154 - #17

@padgets #mathchat I think HS or maybe MS as the kids get placed into separate classes for separate content
Fri Jun 17 00:07:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81513303486111745 - #18

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham That, to me, seems to be somewhere in middle school. #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:07:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81513374319525888 - #19

@ColinTGraham @letriceallen What happens if/when the students or their parents or teachers refer to the standards/mandated curriculum, though? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:07:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81513374613110784 - #20

@scott_gc @ColinTGraham how about sprinkling in history of math to show how family tree of math has common ancestry. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:07:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81513378182479872 - #21

@letriceallen @scott_gc @ColinTGraham Scott, I think that is very important and answers the question of "who came up with this crap anyway"?=) #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:08:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81513596147871744 - #22

@TedGJohnston There are some teachers that teach math in a linear way and make very little connections to previous topics #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:08:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81513621544374273 - #23

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham Could you elaborate? #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:09:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81513760401006592 - #24

@ColinTGraham @scott_gc I'm all for any cross curricular approach! Love history too, did cross-curricular materials for history of pi during my train training... #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:10:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81513923890786304 - #25

Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?

@letriceallen @mrsd5107 Hi =) #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:10:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81514064823590913 - #26

@ColinTGraham @TedGJohnston Is that because of lack of confidence or because that is how the 'subject' is set out in official documents? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:10:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81514120901443584 - #27

@ColinTGraham @letriceallen Elaboration - National curricula in UK usually break etriceallen mathematics into 4 basic 'strands' from primary... #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:12:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 8151441364288716 - #29 81514413642887168

@BobToms100 #mathchat Logic & rules connect all. It's abstract & thought provoking. It's l. a way of measurement & classifica (cont) http://deck.ly/~vDWUB
Fri Jun 17 00:12:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81514520199180288 - #30

@ColinTGraham @letriceallen If the 'official' document says this is algebra, that is shape, something else is measurement, etc that's fragmented #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:13:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81514790710816771 - #31

@padgets #mathchat I see my science curriculum doing the same thing depending on the teacher they either integrate it or teach it linear
Fri Jun 17 00:13:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 815 81514839209541632 - #32

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham I see what you are saying. I would explain to parents/students that part of understanding mathematics is making #mathchat nderstanding
Fri Jun 17 00:14:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81514918473510912 - #33

@padgets #mathchat I prefer integrated

Fri Jun 17 00:14:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81514918876155905 - #34

@TedGJohnston I think if teachers taught the curriculum and not the resource it would be better as newer documents try to make more ties #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:14:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81514955207225344 - #35

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham connections. Sometimes a problem requires the use of multiple strategies, strands, representations to solve. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:14:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81515081967476736 - #36

@NatBanting is our assessment technique to blame for the segmentation? UNIT test kind of isolates skills doesn't it?? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:15:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81515153761382400 - #37

@ColinTGraham @BobToms100 So you see it more as linking across topics by using, say, common procedures or approaches? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:15:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81515255473246208 - #38

Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?

@padgets @NatBanting #mathchat oh good point

Fri Jun 17 00:15:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81515273538109442 - #39

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham a good teacher should always be prepared to justify how materials,activities help students to learn the curriculum #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:16:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81515436881084416 - #40

@ColinTGraham @padgets I think it is particularly prevalent from middle school onwards, maybe because there is too much content in curricula. #mathchat cause
Fri Jun 17 00:16:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81515576840814593 - #41

@letriceallen @NatBanting True. However, successive units opens the door to a continuation of previously learned skills. It can be done. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:16:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81515634550243328 - #42

@letriceallen @NatBanting True. However, successive units opens the door to a True. continuation of previously learned skills. It can be done. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:16:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81515634550243328 - #43

@NatBanting @padgets it is such a ingrained thing. Exam writing is at the core of accreditation in Canada. Why is this so impo important? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:17:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81515713021480960 - #44

@letriceallen @NatBanting Assement can and should continue beyond the unit test. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:17:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81515855468445696 - #45

@NatBanting @letriceallen @ColinTGraham Curriculum is at the heart of the segmentation. It is awfully divided. so good teach teachers segment? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:17:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81515869406101504 - #46

@padgets #mathchat @ColinTGraham @NatBanting we try to cram so much in because of testing the brain can only learn so much as one time
Fri Jun 17 00:18:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81515969956163584 - #47

@ColinTGraham @TedGJohnston If the curriculum's divided into, say, Algebra Algebra, Geometry, Probability & Statistics, etc. does that affect teaching? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:18:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81516027879501824 - #49

@padgets #mathchat and learn it well well\

Fri Jun 17 00:18:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 815160357438 81516035743809536 - #50

@NatBanting @letriceallen What about "concurrently" learned skills instead of previously learned skills. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:18:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81516072443973633 - #51

Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?

@MrJayCM @NatBanting Agree re. assessment. Bigger (more integrated), writing intensive assessments can help. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:19:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 8151617735 81516177356103680 - #52

@BobToms100 @ColinTGraham #mathchat Certainly methods of investigation, enquiry, ainly deduction & reasoning are cross curricula (cont) http://deck.ly/~AJT2S
Fri Jun 17 00:19:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81516189326639104 - #53

@letriceallen @NatBanting @ColinTGraham I guess it depends on your curriculum. I would say that ours in less segmented though imperfect. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:19:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81516271832797184 - #54

@NatBanting @ColinTGraham @TedGJohnston You get a big "YES" from me. It controls teaching... #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:19:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81516307513745408 - #55

@ColinTGraham @NatBanting The choice of what gets grouped together and what it's called also has an impact. Scottish curric differs from Engl English #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:19:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81516365952991232 - #56

@letriceallen Well stated. =) RT @NatBanting: What about "concurrently" learned skills instead of previously learned skills. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:19:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81516371250380800 - #57

@NatBanting @letriceallen sure should. But does it bridge the unit tests? Or is tha the that final's job? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:20:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81516478855262208 - #58

@NatBanting @letriceallen sure should. But does it bridge the unit tests? Or is that the final's job? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:20:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81516478855262208 - #59

@NatBanting @letriceallen @ColinTGraham Where do you teach? Grade level? #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:20:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81516585449304064 - #60

@ColinTGraham @NatBanting @letriceallen Or do 'good' teachers connect the fragments of the curriculum together to maintain concepts? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:21:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81516669045968896 - #61

@letriceallen @NatBanting Georgia, USA. HS moving to MS. #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:21:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81516778781540353 - #62

@NatBanting @ColinTGraham @letriceallen I guess they do, but we still have tests TGraham looming..always. does linking actually "hurt" kids grade wise #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:22:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 8151698 81516981420957696 - #63

Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?

@ColinTGraham @NatBanting Qualified as (English) Secondary (11 (11-19yo) technically allows me to teach any of the 4 UK national curricula... #mathchat e
Fri Jun 17 00:22:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81517033417744384 - #64

@NatBanting @letriceallen wow. HS curr up here is very divided. By strand, grade, topic, you name it. Go Georgia!!! #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:22:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81517127525347328 - #65

@TedGJohnston @NatBanting a curriculum doc should lay out what need to be taught needs and not limit how to teach #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:22:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81517152758272000 - #66

@padgets #mathchat I Iowa ours is pedagogy as well as curriculum

Fri Jun 17 00:23:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 8151738910310 81517389103108096 - #67

@NatBanting @ColinTGraham Canadians have a different system because there is no national curr. Also no strems... curr needs to be broad. #mathchat rr
Fri Jun 17 00:24:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81517502122819584 - #68

@letriceallen @NatBanting Where are you? We do integrated math. I think can see more connections now than before. It is still too loaded though #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:24:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81517584234725376 - #69

@ColinTGraham @NatBanting @letriceallen I think not linking causes more damage. think There is not enough visualization of "algebra" for example... #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:24:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81517662206824448 - #70

@TedGJohnston @padgets ours lays out suggested ped. #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:25:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81517665671331841 - #71

@NatBanting @TedGJohnston definitely. Bu how is PEI with that? #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:25:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81517732184600576 - #72

@MrJayCM Coherent curriculum is a start (using CMP now). How kids experience it is critical though. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:25:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81517877349 81517877349462016 - #73

@NatBanting @letriceallen Sask. Canada. HS. We have new curr coming, but still packed. mile wide, tough to make m much deeper than an inch #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:26:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81517919263137792 - #74

@ColinTGraham @TedGJohnston @NatBanting Agreed and UK govts say the curriculum is a guide and not "set in concrete", but many use it as 'rules'. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:26:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81517971654184961 - #75

Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?

@MrJayCM Student products that carry over between units can help make connections between between Big Ideas more explicit. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:26:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81518071340208128 - #76

@letriceallen @NatBanting they said we were a mile wide and an in deep. now some say we are both a mile wide and deep. #impossible? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:26:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81518159563202560 - #77

@NatBanting @ColinTGraham @TedGJohnston Here, topics are almost designed to link throughout the grades, not within one class. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:27:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81518177154113536 - #78

@MrJayCM Student products that carry over between units can help make connections between Big Ideas more clear. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:27:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81518283861393409 - #79

@letriceallen Here 2 RT @NatBanting: @ColinTGraham @TedGJohnston Here, topics are designed to link throughout the grades, not within1 class. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:27:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81518410017673217 - #80

@TedGJohnston @NatBanting same as here with the WNCP #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:28:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81518476627423232 - #81

@ColinTGraham @MrJayCM Coherence is certainly very important, Jay. Many curricula/standards are 'stream'-coherent or 'topic' coherent 'topic'-coherent only, tho' #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:28:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81518500916629504 - #82

@NatBanting @letriceallen my department's exams never value integration, they are built triceallen on segmentation. I have a delicate balancing act. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:28:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 815185073 81518507363274752 - #84

@ColinTGraham @letriceallen @NatBanting @TedGJohnston Is there an expectation that a particular grade will be at a particular level, though? #mathchat t
Fri Jun 17 00:29:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81518852583854081 - #85

@letriceallen @NatBanting It is hard to convince the masses. #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:29:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81518874071269376 - #86

@NatBanting @TedGJohnston It is awful tough to put "new math" methods into a textbook and curriculum. good attempt though #mathchat though...
Fri Jun 17 00:30:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81518933865279488 - #87

@NatBanting @letriceallen haha... yeah... ask the 90s... #NCTM #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:30:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81519079336316928 - #88

Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham@NatBanting @TedGJohnston I think the expectation is that whatever the level(s), you must get them to perform. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:30:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81519109816328192 - #89

@MrJayCM @ColinTGraham Our math team recognizes this by collaborating on an articulation plan 6-12.Then we exploit the inherent connections #mathchat 12.Then
Fri Jun 17 00:31:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81519186358181889 - #90

@ColinTGraham It seems that the assessment or testing element plays a (very strong) role in dictating what should be covered by a certain point #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:32:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81519432895176705 - #91

@NatBanting yet another #mathchat cut short. Urggghhh... thanks guys for the food for thought. www.howiviewit.blogspot.com
Fri Jun 17 00:32:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81519510284271618 - #92

@ColinTGraham Do you think that an integrated curriculum is being avoid by "the authorities" because it is more difficult (expensive) to assess? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:33:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81519736462118912 - #93

@ColinTGraham @NatBanting Bye Nat, thanks for joining u #mathchat us!

Fri Jun 17 00:33:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81519835045040128 - #94

@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat yep

Fri Jun 17 00:33:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81519840170487809 - #95

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham Yes, especially in these harsh economic times. #mathchat

Fri Jun 17 00:34:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81519973771640832 - #96

@TedGJohnston @ColinTGraham easier to do at the younger grades where they have the same teacher for most of the day #mathchat me
Fri Jun 17 00:34:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81520082638995456 - #97

@ColinTGraham @MrJayCM So is there some kind of 'handover' when a student moves up to the next grade or a transition process? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:34:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81520175370874880 - #98

@TedGJohnston Different way of thinking for teachers that were brought up in a different that learning environment #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:35:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81520266714423296 - #99

@padgets #mathchat for our new Integrated Science class next fall, students must demonstrate proficiency or they cannot take Biology
Fri Jun 17 00:36:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81520520625000449 - #100

Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?

@ColinTGraham @TedGJohnston Even at the primary stage, the maths is still 'segmented' into shape, area, measuring, etc., albeit inside a 'theme' #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:36:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81520545052626945 - #101

@eduz8 @ColinTGraham #mathchat I don't think assessment cost. Changing a system: ssment Ed, books, publishers, standards, etc. Big dinosaurs move slowly.
Fri Jun 17 00:37:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81520711121911808 - #102

@MrJayCM @ColinTGraham Working on a system currently. Some sort of portfolio system long-term. Rudimentary "file" likely short term. short-term. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:37:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81520745502605313 - #103

@ColinTGraham @padgets Why is Biology specifically singled ou for the 'competency' out prerequisite? Higher stakes? Weeding out?... #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:37:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81520866109833217 - #104

@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat it is the designated 10th grade science so if they cannot take the class they take a remedial class ke
Fri Jun 17 00:38:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81521103796846592 - #105

@MrJayCM @ColinTGraham Breaking down the standards grade by grade allows ham disaggregation of the assessment evidence per student. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:38:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81521108674813952 - #106

@ColinTGraham @eduz8 I would agree, the assessment is part of the system though... maybe curriculum was designed to make it easier to assess? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:38:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81521158641557505 - #107

@letriceallen RT @eduz8: #mathchat I dont think assessment cost. Changing a system:Ed,books, publishers,standards,etc.Big dinosaurs move slowly #mathchat slowly.
Fri Jun 17 00:39:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81521346969997312 - #108

@ColinTGraham @padgets My question is more about why Biology should be 'singled out' that way... why not Chemistry or Physics (lots of maths!) #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:39:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81521435687919616 - #109

@ColinTGraham @padgets My question is more about why Biology shou be 'singled should out' that way... why not Chemistry or Physics (lots of maths!) #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:39:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81521435687919616 - #111

@MrJayCM @ColinTGraham The disagg. of evidence is useful. Actual student artifacts would preserve learning-style info- allow differ'tion. #mathchat Fri Jun 17 00:40:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81521687044173824 - #112

@padgets #mathchat If a student successfully completes both classes the school can say they met the Iowa Core requirement
Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?

Fri Jun 17 00:41:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81521698112942 81521698112942080 - #113

@ColinTGraham Big dinosaurs usually don't move at all - because they're fossilized! ; ;-) RT @eduz8: @ColinTGraham #mathchat Big dinosaurs move slowly. #mathchat....
Fri Jun 17 00:41:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81521703443906561 - #114

@monsoon0 RT @ColinTGraham: Today's topic is: "How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?" #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:41:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81521928736747520 - #115

@ColinTGraham Given that a curriculum or set of state/national/provincial standards has been issued... where is the biggest disconnect in maths? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:43:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81522382518497280 - #116

@monsoon0 A major shaper of curriculum for University #math is w what other faculties want their students to know=> disjointed bits #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:45:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81522780230791168 - #117

@ColinTGraham @MrJayCM Idea that a student at age 12 should be able/expected to do "..." doesn't take cognitive development into account tho' #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:45:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81522847121543169 - #118

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham Looks like I am going to have to step away. Does this meet every Thursday? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:46:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81522962913693696 - #119

@ColinTGraham @monsoon0 By University, it's waaay too late in many ways! Specialisms etc. take over and subject teaching is not so g generalized. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:46:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81523134112595968 - #120

@eduz8 @ColinTGraham #mathchat Geometry? No time to draw pictures, sketch situations, visually play in algebra parts of curr. Solving Solving--graphing.
Fri Jun 17 00:46:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81523190614069248 - #121

@ColinTGraham @letriceallen Yes same time every week and we rev the same topic revisit on Monday's at a Euro-friendly time. #mathchat friendly
Fri Jun 17 00:47:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81523279273267200 - #122

@monsoon0 @ColinTGraham True, but even within focussed topics there should be a connected curriculum #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:47:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81523338148724737 - #123

@ColinTGraham @letriceallen Times and topics are on #mathchat wiki http://bit.ly/codZeQ Follow @mathchat to keep updated.
Fri Jun 17 00:48:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81523502175371265 - #124

Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?

@letriceallen @ColinTGraham Great! I enjoyed the chat. It really got me the thinking. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:49:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81523755272257537 - #125

@ColinTGraham @eduz8 So why not use an integrated application such as GeoGebra uz8 which allows the algebra and geometry to appear on the same page? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:49:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81523 81523797836054528 - #126

@MrJayCM @ColinTGraham Not an unguided process. 6 12 progression slowly releases 6-12 this responsibility. Important thing-message of coherence. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:49:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81523828504805376 - #127

@ColinTGraham @letriceallen Cool! We like thinkers on #mathchat #mathchat!

Fri Jun 17 00:49:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81523875778805760 - #128

@ColinTGraham @MrJayCM It's good that your situation is focusing on trying to maintain coherence between grades. This is certainly not common! #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:50:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81524122001215488 - #129

@padgets #mathchat well time to take care of puppy take care and thanks for the conversation tweet you all next time :0)
Fri Jun 17 00:51:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81524322598010880 - #130

@teachdig Jumping in late, but think it is not just a disconnect btwn math to topics, but also a disconnect with other subjects, esp in MS/HS. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:51:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81524330097414144 - #131

@ColinTGraham @monsoon0 If you have a 'suggested route' through modules, say, who decides (and how) on the required vs optional elements? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:52:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81524580488974336 - #132

@eduz8 @ColinTGraham #mathchat Not against Geogebra. Don't know it well. I think olinTGraham even with Geogebra, teacher needs to connect intersection intersection--equatn.
Fri Jun 17 00:53:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 815 81524795212169219 - #133

@TedGJohnston @teachdig there is a shift towards project based learning here that is hopefully helping at these levels #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:53:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81524861322797056 - #134

@ColinTGraham @teachdig That's true also, Dvora. The 'isolation' of subjects post post-11yo can compound the issue of fragmentation. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:53:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81524878129373184 - #135

@ColinTGraham @eduz8 Maybe more important to allow Ss to make the c connections through exploration/projects/inquiry exploration/projects/inquiry-based approaches? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:54:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81525078017318913 - #136

Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?

@MrJayCM @teachdig Driven by content specific std ized testing, this is certainly a std-ized challenge, value aside.Could coaching help build links? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:54:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81525133348581376 - #137

@teachdig @ColinTGraham Just finishing a great creative writing project combining physics and english classes. Now to do the same for math #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:54:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81525141380677632 - #138

@teachdig @MrJayCM I think the links are there, but it is having the time to develop them & not losing class time to get to them. #mathchat sing
Fri Jun 17 00:55:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81525304362938369 - #139

@teachdig @TedGJohnston I am hoping for more of this next yr. Thinking that using some #anyqs story math will help too. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:55:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81525441336315904 - #140

@ColinTGraham Woah! Only five minutes left... time's flying by today! Any last thoughts about ways to (re)integrate an 'itemized' curriculum? #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:55:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81525460827250688 - #141

@MrJayCM @teachdig @ColinTGraham Writing across the curricula / cross cross-content areas could be key. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:56:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81525547942936576 - #142

@teachdig @MrJayCM Definitely making for more interesting work and applies to more than one class. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:57:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81525777769840640 - #143

@eduz8 @ColinTGraham #mathchat Absolutely. Just suggesting biggest disconnect.

Fri Jun 17 00:57:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81525870807891968 - #144

@MrJayCM @teachdig Agree re. time. Again points to coaches to facilitate interdept. colab. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:57:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81525897710145536 - #145

@ColinTGraham I'd like to see a big increase in STEM (or even MATES, as I call the art artincluded version!) projects or activities. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:58:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81526013032546304 - #146

@TedGJohnston Students need more time to explore, create, play and less time sitting, writing and "listening", thanks all #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:58:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81526063246745602 - #147

@teachdig @ColinTGraham Reorganize items in ways that make connections & better sense when u can. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:58:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81526113439989760 - #148

Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?

@ColinTGraham @TedGJohnston Thanks for joining us Ted and making most of your first Tweets on #mathchat too!
Fri Jun 17 00:59:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 8152625810990 81526258109906944 - #149

@eduz8 #mathchat let be messy. Be ok if you have to miss stuff, especially if it messes up you your flow.
Fri Jun 17 00:59:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81526350581743616 - #150

@MrJayCM I think just making the goal of coherence explicit to teachers and students is a step in the right direction. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 00:59:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 815264498986 81526449898663936 - #151

@ColinTGraham @eduz8 Mess is good. I like mess! Especially if the students do the reorganizing of the 'mess' @teachdig ... ; #mathchat chdig ;-)
Fri Jun 17 01:00:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81526620292268032 - #152

@teachdig @ColinTGraham @eduz8 So true. Hoping for more mess in my classroom next yr. Ending the yr by having Ss develop some #anyqs #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 01:01:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81526822034083840 - #153

@ColinTGraham OK, that's it for today! Thank you everyone for contributing to another fast-moving #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 01:01:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81526862181957632 - #154

@teachdig Good chat on #nstachat this afternoon about integration. I think another good egration. way for connections. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 01:01:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81526945912860672 - #155

@teachdig Thanks. Hope to join in for more time on Monday's #mathchat revisit.
Fri Jun 17 01:02:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81527064188026881 - #156

@ColinTGraham Follow the new tweeps and @mathchat to keep updated on voting/topics etc. #mathchat
Fri Jun 17 01:02:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 81527136221003777 - #157

Friday, 17th June 2011 How do I avoid students seeing the mathematics curriculum as a set of disjointed topics?