DOGGCRAPP Kilo Klub Member

Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,582

Now am i recommending that to everyone to do? No i am not because you will be unhappy and blaming Dante for your unhappiness. But lets not bullshit around here either....whats the quickest (I mean absolutely quickest) way of putting the most muscle mass on your physique? By taking off the governer and hitting the excesses. Is it pretty? Nope. Is it your cup of tea? Nope. Does it make you look cool and awesome to say "Well I feel that you should always be within striking distance of competing and you should never allow yourself to get out of shape".....Yes it does make you look very cool to say that. Does it put incredible amounts of muscle mass on people in a very short time frame.....Cut the bullshit.....yes it does. Does it also put alot of fat on you...Yep Would I recommend it to everyone....hell no....everyone wants to look awesome year round with abs and leaness and thinking that they are putting on muscle mass at the highest rate possible. But you show me other 20 year old kids that are putting on 20 pound bodyweight jumps on their onstage bodyweight and can show up onstage at close to 250 pounds......what did you reading this look like at 20 years old? Were you 250 onstage? I aint recommending it but I do admire someone who has the balls to get there quickly. Now with that said....should Brewer and others like him who put on all that size IMO should have then maintained a relatively lean bodyweight at a certain point and worked on his weak bodyparts? Yes because he got a big BSN contract and had to make appearances year round and it was his obligation to show up in shape and also would have been so much easier to diet down because he was allready in shape.....he had allready built his muscle mass (again the quickest way possible).....and should have just tried to catch up his weak bodyparts. Brewers curse in my opinion is this....he was able to build huge muscle mass quickly which turned peoples heads...and got him a big contract but the truth of the matter is he didnt have that god given genetic pro trait of symmetry and his arms (triceps, and especially his back (very very subpar)....just werent there and when he got onto larger competition it showed dramatically......you cant go to national shows without a back....backs, shoulders, leg sweep and abs win shows....especially backs. the guy was in the public eye left and right and took a beating...but bottom line....that guy put on more muscle mass on a (non symmetretrical nonpro physique) between 18 and 20 than virtually every single guy bitching and moaning about him getting fat on these boards did between the age of 20 and 30. It is what it is.

Like i said i think there is a viable option in the middle....but Ive always admired guys who can weather the storm ("getting called a fat fuck on these boards by guys who havent broke 188 pounds") because they have their eye on the end result.....and dont feel like waiting a decade to get there....and decide to do it in 2-3 years instead. I kind of laugh a little bit because there is a universally liked 6 footish pro out there that asked me to train him twice while he was coming up (I refused because I was just burnt out).....this guy was a local competitor weighing about 205 onstage some years back.....well that guy stayed hidden and did what Brewer did....and he emailed me and told me it was highly uncomfortable and he wasnt really liking doing it....(hell yea it aint comfortable...its pretty brutal)....but this amateur stayed covered up in the offseason and ate his way up from 205 onstage to 300 pounds offseason....never letting anyone quite see the full offseason fatty look.....well what happens? Lo and behold....he hones that shit down, destroys his amateur competition and gets his pro card and everyone and their brother tells him how awesome he is....he is all over the place now and is very well liked (and should be, he is a great guy).......he did it hiddenly and now competes at about 245 to 256 onstage while Brewer did it openly and caught a shitload of guff......oh well
So heres my statement to everyone here. What if the people shown on this thread ate every single morsel of food they have eaten when they bulked up.....every single iota of food right down to the smallest iota to bulk up to those proportions they did.....but maybe did one of the following 1) got up in the morning and did 20-40 minute empty stomach cardio with BCAA powder down the hatch? Lets say they took a brisk walk around the neighborhood with their girlfriend or wife......thats the only difference in what they allready did all year long. Would they have gained as much muscle mass but been slightly leaner? I dont even have to hear the answer, I know the answer. 2) Maybe took some low dose GH all year long. Would they have gained as much muscle mass but been slightly leaner? I dont even have to hear the answer, I know the answer. 3) Took in maybe one, two, three or a combo of 7-keto-dhea, L-carnitine, a viable fat burner, green tea at 1500-3000mg a day, 12.5 to 25mcg T3 and other key partitioning supplements? Would they have gained as much muscle mass but been slightly leaner? I dont even have to hear the answer, I know the answer. 4) Moved most of the carbs they took in all day long to predominantly pre workout and the 2 meals post workout.....because the human body is an absolute sponge during that time.....and lessened them later in the day.....

Would they have gained as much muscle mass but been slightly leaner? I dont even have to hear the answer, I know the answer. 5) Did one, a few, a combination, or all of the above 4 things (or whatever fits into their personal boundaries they set up for themselves) until they got it dialed in on how their unique body works to eat their way up in size pronto and keep at a decent offseason bodyfat percentage that makes them happy. Do they need to do them all? Heck no....do they have to do any cardio? I think it would be smart....but my point is just as much as you find out what works for you dieting down you find out what works for you getting dramatically larger. Pretty basic isnt it? Yet for alot of people it all goes hell in a handbasket. EXCESS rules the day in bodybuilding and thats with powerbuilding progressive heavier weights in training, drugs, and food......its how you smartly deal with the side effects of EXCESS that is the key to it all. Can you just be a daredevil and just do the EXCESS drug route? yea you can if you want....you might be fine healthwise in 3-20 years....and again you might not. You guys wonder how I do things with advanced people? There you go up above. Three way split chest shoulders triceps biceps/forearms backwidth backthickness calves hams quads done mon tues thurs and fri (fri repeat of mondays bodyparts hit) and you get after it with widowmakers for weak bodyparts. Let food be your anabolic, take care of the excess as stated, and be very responsible with the primer part of the equation. I bolded up above....THANK YOU....thats what Ive been trying to relay for a large part of this thread. I absolutely cannot stand when people take on this situation above and then later on forgot the reason they did and then look in the mirror and are unhappy...."f*&king Dante made me fat"......No...i just gave you some facts, i also gave you some tools that you absolutely must use to your advantage in the fat burning process above.....and the rest of the deal is again ....and im going to keep saying it...is all whats in your boundaries, and what makes you happy, DO WHAT IS GOING TO MAKE YOU THE MOST HAPPIEST on both the journey there and the end result. Steel has defined his boundaries above and is going to stick to them. I respect that and urge that to everyone. This isnt about reading this thread and thinking "hey if i become a fat guy i get to get bigger, thats what dante said" <-----even though I absolutely guarentee you will see this exact message that Im pointing to on other boards relaying this is what I mean...because there are going to be young guys

reading this...that will only get that message out of this thread. (im counting on you guys to maybe have my back on that front because youll see these posts in 3 months to the next 2 years referring to this thread on other boards....and i hope you go in there and post and clarify that Dante's #1 urging is a journey that you are comfortable and happy with) My objective is to prove to you that if you want to truly change yourself....excess is usually the rule of the day......alot of people do it with the drug route, thats their health and their choice to do so, so what do you have left? You have to do it with the other two excesses....food and progressive training weights. The problems with those two things a) bodyfat gain b) injuries Its your job to wade your way thru that journey to shore up the holes in the excesses that you have to do to become muscularly larger.

So heres my statement to everyone here. What if the people shown on this thread ate every single morsel of food they have eaten when they bulked up.....every single iota of food right down to the smallest iota to bulk up to those proportions they did.....but maybe did one of the following 1) got up in the morning and did 20-40 minute empty stomach cardio with BCAA powder down the hatch? Lets say they took a brisk walk around the neighborhood with their girlfriend or wife......thats the only difference in what they allready did all year long. Would they have gained as much muscle mass but been slightly leaner? I dont even have to hear the answer, I know the answer. 2) Maybe took some low dose GH all year long. Would they have gained as much muscle mass but been slightly leaner? I dont even have to hear the answer, I know the answer. 3) Took in maybe one, two, three or a combo of 7-keto-dhea, L-carnitine, a viable fat burner, green tea at 1500-3000mg a day, 12.5 to 25mcg T3 and other key partitioning supplements? Would they have gained as much muscle mass but been slightly leaner? I dont even have to hear the answer, I know the answer. 4) Moved most of the carbs they took in all day long to predominantly pre workout and the 2 meals post workout.....because the human body is an absolute sponge during that time.....and lessened them later in the day..... Would they have gained as much muscle mass but been slightly leaner? I dont even have to hear the answer, I know the answer.

5) Did one, a few, a combination, or all of the above 4 things (or whatever fits into their personal boundaries they set up for themselves) until they got it dialed in on how their unique body works to eat their way up in size pronto and keep at a decent offseason bodyfat percentage that makes them happy. Do they need to do them all? Heck no....do they have to do any cardio? I think it would be smart....but my point is just as much as you find out what works for you dieting down you find out what works for you getting dramatically larger. Pretty basic isnt it? Yet for alot of people it all goes hell in a handbasket. EXCESS rules the day in bodybuilding and thats with powerbuilding progressive heavier weights in training, drugs, and food......its how you smartly deal with the side effects of EXCESS that is the key to it all. Can you just be a daredevil and just do the EXCESS drug route? yea you can if you want....you might be fine healthwise in 3-20 years....and again you might not. You guys wonder how I do things with advanced people? There you go up above. Three way split chest shoulders triceps biceps/forearms backwidth backthickness calves hams quads done mon tues thurs and fri (fri repeat of mondays bodyparts hit) and you get after it with widowmakers for weak bodyparts. Let food be your anabolic, take care of the excess as stated, and be very responsible with the primer part of the equation.

I bolded up above....THANK YOU....thats what Ive been trying to relay for a large part of this thread. I absolutely cannot stand when people take on this situation above and then later on forgot the reason they did and then look in the mirror and are unhappy...."f*&king Dante made me fat"......No...i just gave you some facts, i also gave you some tools that you absolutely must use to your advantage in the fat burning process above.....and the rest of the deal is again ....and im going to keep saying it...is all whats in your boundaries, and what makes you happy, DO WHAT IS GOING TO MAKE YOU THE MOST HAPPIEST on both the journey there and the end result. Steel has defined his boundaries above and is going to stick to them. I respect that and urge that to everyone. This isnt about reading this thread and thinking "hey if i become a fat guy i get to get bigger, thats what dante said" <-----even though I absolutely guarentee you will see this exact message that Im pointing to on other boards relaying this is what I mean...because there are going to be young guys reading this...that will only get that message out of this thread. (im counting on you guys to maybe have my back on that front because youll see these posts in 3

months to the next 2 years referring to this thread on other boards....and i hope you go in there and post and clarify that Dante's #1 urging is a journey that you are comfortable and happy with) My objective is to prove to you that if you want to truly change yourself....excess is usually the rule of the day......alot of people do it with the drug route, thats their health and their choice to do so, so what do you have left? You have to do it with the other two excesses....food and progressive training weights. The problems with those two things a) bodyfat gain b) injuries Its your job to wade your way thru that journey to shore up the holes in the excesses that you have to do to become muscularly larger.