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1. re: attack on adi sankara-by dvaitins-what has been done to

resolve this? (sivaramakrishnan muthuswamy)
2. re: attack on adi sankara-by dvaitins-what has been done to
resolve this? (raghavendra hebbalalu)
3. re: attack on adi sankara-by dvaitins-what has been done to
resolve this? (bhaskar.yr@in.abb.com)
4. re: mithya from archives (bhaskar.yr@in.abb.com)
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date: tue, 20 nov 2007 17:39:47 -0800 (pst)
from: sivaramakrishnan muthuswamy <muthushiv@yahoo.com>
subject: re: [advaita-l] attack on adi sankara-by dvaitins-what has
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thanks for the nice email vidyashankarji. i was also constantly

hampered by this problem mainly from hare krishna's who has this lame website
where all the dwaita criticisms are posted. a rooki of that group
basically uses those resources to attack advaitins. those who respect
advaita but not well versed in logics encounter problem -emotional). week
ones give up to them while strong ones shine. advaitins
periodically has been recording answers for the dwaita criticisms eg., advaita
siddhi of madhusudhana saraswati (ref: http://www.advaitasiddhi.org). in
my personal experience this approach not only helps us in equipping a
deep understanding on our philosophy but also helps us to answer those
criticisms on the spot - in an elegant fashion. i also use contemporary
examples in dealing the situation. please be familiar with saiva
siddantha (old school - which is some what similar to dwaita
philosophy)(the current version is mix of old school and
advaita concepts - in my understanding which is very small). its
antiquity counteracts the vaishnavas. by bringing this fourth, we can
basically argue that vaishnava concept is not as unique as they thought as
saiva schools also has the similar approach (which is true in a way).
both sri vaishnava as well as saiva school traces their origin to
tantric schools while advaitins purely argue on vedic origin and logics
(to some extent from mahayana sect of buddist school). if i come across
more information on this subject i will post

siva muthuswamy

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date: tue, 20 nov 2007 22:01:10 -0800 (pst)
from: raghavendra hebbalalu <hs_raghavendra@yahoo.com>
subject: re: [advaita-l] attack on adi sankara-by dvaitins-what has
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namaste,

i will give an anecdote about this from the life of

sri dv gundappa (dvg), a journalist-poet-philosopher
par excellence which he recalls in his
jnapaka-chitra-shale series (the volume in context
titled vaidika-dharma-sampradayastharu). dvg learnt
vedanta from mahamahopadhyaya shri hanagal virupaksha
shastri (also the vidyaguru of hh shri chandrashekhara
bharati).

during his younger days, dvg was much distressed when

he heard of references from the perverse work that was
mentioned earlier in the mail thread. he also learnt
of a work that was written as a rejoinder (mm-bhedana)
to the same and was much interested in looking at it.

when he was looking for the book, he came across a

learned senior friend (shri chandrashekhara shastri -
a samskrit scholar) who asked dvg what he was looking
for. when dvg told him, shri-shastri said - "do you
want to waste your time looking at such
kshudra-granthas? isn't your time better spent looking
at bhashyas and other such granthas?"

dvg learnt from it and did as he was told.

in my case, i was (and still occasionally get)

distressed on seeing that people indulge in such mud
slinging matches. after reading this anecdote and
those words of wisdom, i get on with my other things.

so, there were books written countering perverse

claims before, but if we start paying attention only
to such things, we will just feel anger and distress.

as we say in kannada "durahankarakke udasinave maddu"

-can be translated as "indifference is the right
medicine for ego bloats"(bad ego - literally).

anyway, this dvaita-advaita controversy will not get

resolved any time soon (hasn't it gone on since the
13th century ce?). many new people come to each school
and these fights continuously are renewed. and then,
we learn to move on from khandana-mandana-dandana
series to more important things.

my nanaka-dvayam.

best,
-raghavendra

--- sivaramakrishnan muthuswamy <muthushiv@yahoo.com>

wrote:

> thanks for the nice email vidyashankarji. i was

> also constantly hampered by this problem mainly from
> hare krishna's who has this lame website where all
> the dwaita criticisms are posted. a rooki of that
> group basically uses those resources to attack
> advaitins. those who respect advaita but not well
> versed in logics encounter problem -emotional).
> week ones give up to them while strong ones shine.
> advaitins periodically has been recording answers
> for the dwaita criticisms eg., advaita siddhi of
> madhusudhana saraswati (ref:
> http://www.advaitasiddhi.org). in my personal
> experience this approach not only helps us in
> equipping a deep understanding on our philosophy but
> also helps us to answer those criticisms on the spot
> - in an elegant fashion. i also use contemporary
> examples in dealing the situation. please be
> familiar with saiva siddantha (old school - which is
> some what similar to dwaita philosophy)(the current
> version is mix of old school and
> advaita concepts - in my understanding which is
> very small). its antiquity counteracts the
> vaishnavas. by bringing this fourth, we can
> basically argue that vaishnava concept is not as
> unique as they thought as saiva schools also has the
> similar approach (which is true in a way). both sri
> vaishnava as well as saiva school traces their
> origin to tantric schools while advaitins purely
> argue on vedic origin and logics (to some extent
> from mahayana sect of buddist school). if i come
> across more information on this subject i will post
>
>
> siva muthuswamy
>
>
>
>
>
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as we say in kannada "durahankarakke udasinave maddu"

-can be translated as "indifference is the right
medicine for ego bloats"(bad ego - literally).

pranams prabhuji
hare krishna

that is nicely put...it reminds me one more saying in kannada (bit

harsh
but appropriate for those who indulge in this type of activity
)...*naayi
bogalidare devaloka haale* yes, there are numerous diluted texts which
downplay the doctrine of advaita & bhagavatpada in a very cheap
manner...but how does it matter?? gaudapada in his karika beautifully
says, it hardly affects the mahut / gaja if a street dog barks at the
height & majesty of elephant...( i donot remember the exact quote )...

hari hari hari bol!!!

bhaskar

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date: wed, 21 nov 2007 14:29:57 +0530
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pranams sri prem prabhuji

hare krishna

kindly pardon me for the very delayed reply..was bit busy in some
official
obligation....

thanks a lot for sharing your valuable thoughts with me prabhuji.

actually, my intention of sharing that mail was not to drag the theory
of
five fold combination with respect to creation...honestly, i am not
that
much familiar with this theory....moreover, when it comes to creation
theory, shruti itself is not so consistent (rather particular) in
explaining the same. after all we know that the ultimate truth reveals
the
fact that there is neither creation nor dissolution....but as soon as
we
start speaking brahma, jiva, liberation, brahma jignasa or nature of
individual souls, its bondage etc. it invariably presupposes the
creation...but if we turn towards shruti for the process of this
creation...shruti itself not so particular about it since its ultimatum
is
revealing the knowledge of the oneness of atman
(atmaikatva)...taitiriya,
itareya, prashna, chandogya etc. give different accounts of the
same..in
this scenario, it is difficult to understand the efficacy of
panchikarana
theory in brahma jignasa..though there is an exclusive prakarana work
called panchikarana in the name of bhagavatpada & vartika on it in
the
name of sureshwara (savartika panchikarana), i dont know how this work
can
effectively explain the theory of creation *in line* with shruti...for
example, mundaka shruti says brahman becomes fat through tapasya and
from
it is born food etc. and taitiriya explains all the five elements come
from
brahman...etc..how this can be reconciled with panchikarana theory
which
talks about the division of these elements into parts, and different
combinations of the same etc..

with regard to aprakrutik sarira, i humbly request you to get it

clarified
from any of our dvaita prabhuji-s.

prabhuji you asked :

// quote //
could you please elaborate on this shankara quote, is it
talking about abhava of vyavahara or abhava within vyavahara? what is
meant by 'avagati jnana'?
// unquote //

it is more of abhava within vyavahara through avagati jnana...avagati

jnana
here means adhyavasaya jnana or sublated knowledge which reveals the
reality behind duality...shankara in sutra bhashya explains this state
of
jnana is not exclusive of vyavahara nor it is some exalted state like
samadhi....it is the intuitive realization that he is non-dual brahman
while in *socalled* vyavahara. it is also called *badhita jnana* by
shankara elsewhere in sutra bhashya.
hari hari hari bol!!!
bhaskar

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