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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:39:16 AM
I'd say less "clear it with the GA" and more of make it clear to the Palestine protestors that the OWS/W99 thing isn't specifically about Palestine, but you personally (and maybe a lot of other people there ) believe that the oppression of Palestine and the out-of-control greed of the one percent are intimately linked. --glj On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Be careful; clear it with the GA; we dont have a position on Palestine and > this could be divisive. > > > > But there will be a proposal to rally at the UN tomorrow, Wednesday, when > Obama is speaking. The heads of state of the whole world are at the UN > General Assembly this week. We should have signs that indicate that Wall St > oppresses the whole world. We will have a lot of support from people at the > UN and get a lot more attention in the mainstream international press. > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Isham > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:38 AM > To: dhornbein@gmail.com; september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP! > > > > We have some huge outreach potentials. We have been asked to speak at the > Palestine Rally near the UN today, and we need flyers. Can someone get a > flyer up As Soon as Possible? Be sure to include the websites. > > Would like to have the flyer done and printed by 1pm today. If anyone has > ability to print that would be helpful too. > > ********First Flyer*************** > > General Schedule for Occupy Wall Street at Zuccotti park (Near the > Intersection of Broadway and Liberty Street) > > > > 8-9am: Morning Circle > > 9-10am: March to Wall Street for the ringing of the opening bell > > 10-1pm: Break/Lunch > > 1-3:30pm: General Assembly
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3:30-4:30: Second March to Wall Street for the ringing of the closing bell 4:30-7pm: Open space for Music, Teach-ins, Games, and Committee Break-out Discussion 7-9pm: General Assembly
**********Second Flyer*************** Occupy Wall Street People Over Profit March! Meet at Zuccotti Park (Broadway and Liberty St.) 5pm Thurs., Sept. 22nd
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:42:54 AM
Yeah, if it matters, it would be my opine that the GA stay out of the question of Palestine. It dilutes the strength of the solid anticorporate focus, which it what has resonated with so many around the world. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Be careful; clear it with the GA; we dont have a position on Palestine and this could be divisive.
But there will be a proposal to rally at the UN tomorrow, Wednesday, when Obama is speaking. The heads of state of the whole world are at the UN General Assembly this week. We should have signs that indicate that Wall St oppresses the whole world. We will have a lot of support from people at the UN and get a lot more attention in the mainstream international press.
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Isham Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:38 AM To: dhornbein@gmail.com; september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP!
We have some huge outreach potentials. We have been asked to speak at the Palestine Rally near the UN today, and we need flyers. Can someone get a flyer up As Soon as Possible? Be sure to include the websites. Would like to have the flyer done and printed by 1pm today. If anyone has ability to print that would be helpful too. ********First Flyer*************** General Schedule for Occupy Wall Street at Zuccotti park (Near the Intersection of Broadway and Liberty Street)
8-9am: Morning Circle 9-10am: March to Wall Street for the ringing of the opening bell 10-1pm: Break/Lunch
1-3:30pm: General Assembly 3:30-4:30: Second March to Wall Street for the ringing of the closing bell 4:30-7pm: Open space for Music, Teach-ins, Games, and Committee Break-out Discussion 7-9pm: General Assembly
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:52:19 AM
On the issue of the flyers, let's have a version with the Saturday we are the 99% event at Liberty square added to both of them....
On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, Matthew Presto <matthew.presto@gmail.com> wrote: > End the Occupation of Palestine! > Begin the Occupation of Wall Street! > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I'd say less "clear it with the GA" and more of make it clear to the >> Palestine protestors that the OWS/W99 thing isn't specifically about >> Palestine, but you personally (and maybe a lot of other people there ) >> believe that the oppression of Palestine and the out-of-control greed >> of the one percent are intimately linked. >> >> --glj >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: >> > Be careful; clear it with the GA; we dont have a position on Palestine and >> > this could be divisive. >> > >> > >> > >> > But there will be a proposal to rally at the UN tomorrow, Wednesday, when >> > Obama is speaking. The heads of state of the whole world are at the UN >> > General Assembly this week. We should have signs that indicate that Wall St >> > oppresses the whole world. We will have a lot of support from people at the >> > UN and get a lot more attention in the mainstream international press. >> > >> > >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > >> > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On >> > Behalf Of Isham >> > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:38 AM >> > To: dhornbein@gmail.com; september17@googlegroups.com >> > Subject: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP! >> > >> > >> >
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> We have some huge outreach potentials. We have been asked to speak at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Palestine Rally near the UN today, and we need flyers. Can someone get a flyer up As Soon as Possible? Be sure to include the websites. Would like to have the flyer done and printed by 1pm today. If anyone has ability to print that would be helpful too. ********First Flyer*************** General Schedule for Occupy Wall Street at Zuccotti park (Near the Intersection of Broadway and Liberty Street)
8-9am: Morning Circle 9-10am: March to Wall Street for the ringing of the opening bell 10-1pm: Break/Lunch 1-3:30pm: General Assembly 3:30-4:30: Second March to Wall Street for the ringing of the closing bell 4:30-7pm: Open space for Music, Teach-ins, Games, and Committee BreakDiscussion 7-9pm: General Assembly
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Willie Osterweil september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:20:44 AM
Outreach never needs to be 'cleared' with the GA. The GA cant 'have a position' on Palestine, because the GA is not an ideological or representative body. The GA is a method by which individuals come together and make decisions on action and a way by which autonomous individuals work together. It is not merely a slow, psuedodemocratic method which lets authoritarian party-line bullshit in the back door. The reason this method is used is to avoid this form of conflict. The GA changes in composition every single meeting: as such, it also changes its ideology, ideas, commitment levels, etc. The 'GA' cannot have a political line for this reason. This sort of idea, 'clearing' something with the GA, is exactly what the GA is designed to avoid- ideological purity that stifles action and outreach. Isham, I would be happy to help you do outreach, but I don't really have access to printing resources. Can someone please print out fliers? We also need them more generally all the time, to do outreach at Freedom Plaza. Solidarity, Willie
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Be careful; clear it with the GA; we dont have a position on Palestine and this could be divisive.
But there will be a proposal to rally at the UN tomorrow, Wednesday, when Obama is speaking. The heads of state of the whole world are at the UN General Assembly this week. We should have signs that indicate that Wall St oppresses the whole world. We will have a lot of support from people at the UN and get a lot more attention in the mainstream international press.
We have some huge outreach potentials. We have been asked to speak at the Palestine Rally near the UN today, and we need flyers. Can someone get a flyer up As Soon as Possible? Be sure to include the websites.
Would like to have the flyer done and printed by 1pm today. If anyone has ability to print that would be helpful too. ********First Flyer*************** General Schedule for Occupy Wall Street at Zuccotti park (Near the Intersection of Broadway and Liberty Street)
8-9am: Morning Circle 9-10am: March to Wall Street for the ringing of the opening bell 10-1pm: Break/Lunch 1-3:30pm: General Assembly 3:30-4:30: Second March to Wall Street for the ringing of the closing bell 4:30-7pm: Open space for Music, Teach-ins, Games, and Committee Break-out Discussion 7-9pm: General Assembly
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] Need flyers ASAP! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:02:09 AM
Be careful; clear it with the GA; we dont have a position on Palestine and this could be divisive. But there will be a proposal to rally at the UN tomorrow, Wednesday, when Obama is speaking. The heads of state of the whole world are at the UN General Assembly this week. We should have signs that indicate that Wall St oppresses the whole world. We will have a lot of support from people at the UN and get a lot more attention in the mainstream international press.
We have some huge outreach potentials. We have been asked to speak at the Palestine Rally near the UN today, and we need flyers. Can someone get a flyer up As Soon as Possible? Be sure to include the websites. Would like to have the flyer done and printed by 1pm today. If anyone has ability to print that would be helpful too. ********First Flyer*************** General Schedule for Occupy Wall Street at Zuccotti park (Near the Intersection of Broadway and Liberty Street) 8-9am: Morning Circle 9-10am: March to Wall Street for the ringing of the opening bell 10-1pm: Break/Lunch 1-3:30pm: General Assembly 3:30-4:30: Second March to Wall Street for the ringing of the closing bell 4:30-7pm: Open space for Music, Teach-ins, Games, and Committee Break-out Discussion 7-9pm: General Assembly **********Second Flyer*************** Occupy Wall Street People Over Profit March! Meet at Zuccotti Park (Broadway and Liberty St.) 5pm Thurs., Sept. 22nd
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP Friday, September 23, 2011 9:29:51 AM
sorry to muddy the waters, but I'd be amenable to meeting at 9, after the GA, if it meant more could attend. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Sorry, people wanted to meet before the general assembly at 7PM > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Kelley Wolcott > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 9:03 AM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Cc: no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com; > no-budget-cuts-ny-announcements@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP > > > > Can we make it 8? I would really like to be present, but I cannot get there > til 8. > > > > Thx, > > Kelley > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> > wrote: > > > > We are meeting again Friday 6PM at the bid red sculpture at the Broadway > entrance to Liberty Plaza. Our picketing at the Boathouse in Central Park > is off BECAUSE THEY JUST WON! > > > > Our agenda may include planning a program with trade unionists at the park. > > -> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "No Budget Cuts NY--Discussion" group. > To post to this group, send email to > no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion?hl=en. > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP Friday, September 23, 2011 11:37:33 AM
Rob, Can we get more flyers? Will you be there tonight? Or arrange with someone on the list to get them. Or does Or Connor do you have flyers to distribute at a General Assembly? I can make an announcement at a GA before Monday. Jackie
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Conor Toms Reed Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:25 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP
With respect to folks' different schedules, I think it's important for the labor working group to meet BEFORE the Saturday GA so we can inform the Plaza about the specific outreach ideas/plans that are formulated. We're about 6 days behind in the creation of this working group, so it's important to get its legs moving! May I suggest one discussion item? (others please weigh in too so we can have a *short* clear list to talk through at the start of this working mtg) --A very important protest is being coordinated against the CUNY Board of Trustees mtg at Baruch College this Monday at 4pm. Grievances: $1500 tuition hikes, 1721 adjuncts losing health care, Muslim student groups spied on by NYPD/CIA, etc., etc. Students, teachers, staff, community folks, the PSC union, and more are building for this. I think this can be electrified by the Liberty Plaza GA supporting it and blasting info online. These rolling protests can sustain momentum and grow from each other's work. We're anticipating mtg disruptions and maybe street intersection sit-ins, depending on the size of the turnout. What other points/actions/targeted outreach should this first meet-up take up? -Conor On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:29 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: sorry to muddy the waters, but I'd be amenable to meeting at 9, after the GA, if it meant more could attend. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Sorry, people wanted to meet before the general assembly at 7PM > > >
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________________________________ From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelley Wolcott Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 9:03 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Cc: no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-ny-announcements@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP
Can we make it 8? I would really like to be present, but I cannot get there til 8.
Thx, Kelley On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
We are meeting again Friday 6PM at the bid red sculpture at the Broadway entrance to Liberty Plaza. Our picketing at the Boathouse in Central Park is off BECAUSE THEY JUST WON!
Our agenda may include planning a program with trade unionists at the park. -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "No Budget Cuts NY--Discussion" group. To post to this group, send email to no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion?hl=en.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Conor Toms Reed september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP Friday, September 23, 2011 11:25:28 AM
With respect to folks' different schedules, I think it's important for the labor working group to meet BEFORE the Saturday GA so we can inform the Plaza about the specific outreach ideas/plans that are formulated. We're about 6 days behind in the creation of this working group, so it's important to get its legs moving! May I suggest one discussion item? (others please weigh in too so we can have a *short* clear list to talk through at the start of this working mtg) --A very important protest is being coordinated against the CUNY Board of Trustees mtg at Baruch College this Monday at 4pm. Grievances: $1500 tuition hikes, 1721 adjuncts losing health care, Muslim student groups spied on by NYPD/CIA, etc., etc. Students, teachers, staff, community folks, the PSC union, and more are building for this. I think this can be electrified by the Liberty Plaza GA supporting it and blasting info online. These rolling protests can sustain momentum and grow from each other's work. We're anticipating mtg disruptions and maybe street intersection sit-ins, depending on the size of the turnout. What other points/actions/targeted outreach should this first meet-up take up? -Conor On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:29 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: sorry to muddy the waters, but I'd be amenable to meeting at 9, after the GA, if it meant more could attend. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Sorry, people wanted to meet before the general assembly at 7PM > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Kelley Wolcott > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 9:03 AM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Cc: no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com; > no-budget-cuts-ny-announcements@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP > > > > Can we make it 8? I would really like to be present, but I cannot get there > til 8. > >
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Conor Toms Reed september17@googlegroups.com; rmurray@pscmail.org Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP Friday, September 23, 2011 12:07:49 PM Sept26BoTProtest.pdf
I don't have any more copies of the flyer. Rob/PSC, will you please bring flyers to Liberty Plaza for Monday? For anyone at the GA who may have a free moment, here's the flyer attached. -C
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: Rob,
Can we get more flyers? Will you be there tonight? Or arrange with someone on the list to get them. Or does Or Connor do you have flyers to distribute at a General Assembly? I can make an announcement at a GA before Monday.
Jackie
With respect to folks' different schedules, I think it's important for the labor working group to meet BEFORE the Saturday GA so we can inform the Plaza about the specific outreach ideas/plans that are formulated. We're about 6 days behind in the creation of this working group, so it's important to get its legs moving! May I suggest one discussion item? (others please weigh in too so we can have a *short* clear list to talk through at the start of this working mtg) --A very important protest is being coordinated against the CUNY Board of Trustees mtg at Baruch College this Monday at 4pm. Grievances: $1500 tuition hikes, 1721 adjuncts losing health care, Muslim student groups spied on by NYPD/CIA, etc., etc.
Students, teachers, staff, community folks, the PSC union, and more are building for this. I think this can be electrified by the Liberty Plaza GA supporting it and blasting info online. These rolling protests can sustain momentum and grow from each other's work. We're anticipating mtg disruptions and maybe street intersection sit-ins, depending on the size of the turnout. What other points/actions/targeted outreach should this first meet-up take up? -Conor On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:29 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: sorry to muddy the waters, but I'd be amenable to meeting at 9, after the GA, if it meant more could attend. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Sorry, people wanted to meet before the general assembly at 7PM > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Kelley Wolcott > Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 9:03 AM > To: september17@googlegroups.com > Cc: no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com; > no-budget-cuts-ny-announcements@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP > > > > Can we make it 8? I would really like to be present, but I cannot get there > til 8. > > > > Thx, > > Kelley > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> > wrote: > > > > We are meeting again Friday 6PM at the bid red sculpture at the Broadway > entrance to Liberty Plaza. Our picketing at the Boathouse in Central Park > is off BECAUSE THEY JUST WON!
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Conor Toms Reed Robert Murray september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP Friday, September 23, 2011 12:42:23 PM
By tomorrow morning would be great. We want to flyer on blast during the march starting at noon that day. thanks! -Conor 2011/9/23 Robert Murray <rmurray@pscmail.org>
Conner,
What time?
From: cocoreed@gmail.com [mailto:cocoreed@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Conor Toms Reed Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:08 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com; rmurray@pscmail.org Subject: Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP
Can we get more flyers? Will you be there tonight? Or arrange with someone on the list to get them. Or does Or Connor do you have flyers to distribute at a General Assembly? I can make an announcement at a GA before Monday.
Jackie
With respect to folks' different schedules, I think it's important for the labor working group to meet BEFORE the Saturday GA so we can inform the Plaza about the specific outreach ideas/plans that are formulated. We're about 6 days behind in the creation of this working group, so it's important to get its legs moving! May I suggest one discussion item? (others please weigh in too so we can have a *short* clear list to talk through at the start of this working mtg) --A very important protest is being coordinated against the CUNY Board of Trustees mtg at Baruch College this Monday at 4pm. Grievances: $1500 tuition hikes, 1721 adjuncts losing health care, Muslim student groups spied on by NYPD/CIA, etc., etc. Students, teachers, staff, community folks, the PSC union, and more are building for this. I think this can be electrified by the Liberty Plaza GA supporting it and blasting info online. These rolling protests can sustain momentum and grow from each other's work. We're anticipating mtg disruptions and maybe street intersection sit-ins, depending on the size of the turnout. What other points/actions/targeted outreach should this first meet-up take up? -Conor On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:29 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: sorry to muddy the waters, but I'd be amenable to meeting at 9, after the GA, if it meant more could attend. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Sorry, people wanted to meet before the general assembly at 7PM > > > > ________________________________ > > From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On > Behalf Of Kelley Wolcott
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Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 9:03 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Cc: no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-ny-announcements@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gary Roland september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP Friday, September 23, 2011 12:53:44 PM
I like 6 for the labor meeting... Great job guys! ~GARY 2011/9/23 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasreed@gmail.com> By tomorrow morning would be great. We want to flyer on blast during the march starting at noon that day. thanks! -Conor 2011/9/23 Robert Murray <rmurray@pscmail.org>
Conner,
What time?
From: cocoreed@gmail.com [mailto:cocoreed@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Conor Toms Reed Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 12:08 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com; rmurray@pscmail.org Subject: Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP
Can we get more flyers? Will you be there tonight? Or arrange with someone on
the list to get them. Or does Or Connor do you have flyers to distribute at a General Assembly? I can make an announcement at a GA before Monday.
Jackie
With respect to folks' different schedules, I think it's important for the labor working group to meet BEFORE the Saturday GA so we can inform the Plaza about the specific outreach ideas/plans that are formulated. We're about 6 days behind in the creation of this working group, so it's important to get its legs moving! May I suggest one discussion item? (others please weigh in too so we can have a *short* clear list to talk through at the start of this working mtg) --A very important protest is being coordinated against the CUNY Board of Trustees mtg at Baruch College this Monday at 4pm. Grievances: $1500 tuition hikes, 1721 adjuncts losing health care, Muslim student groups spied on by NYPD/CIA, etc., etc. Students, teachers, staff, community folks, the PSC union, and more are building for this. I think this can be electrified by the Liberty Plaza GA supporting it and blasting info online. These rolling protests can sustain momentum and grow from each other's work. We're anticipating mtg disruptions and maybe street intersection sit-ins, depending on the size of the turnout. What other points/actions/targeted outreach should this first meet-up take up? -Conor On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:29 AM, NicolasMoselleAllen <allenicolas@gmail.com> wrote: sorry to muddy the waters, but I'd be amenable to meeting at 9, after the GA, if it meant more could attend. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: > Sorry, people wanted to meet before the general assembly at 7PM > >
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________________________________ From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelley Wolcott Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 9:03 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Cc: no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-ny-announcements@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-ny-announcements@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP Friday, September 23, 2011 9:03:24 AM
Can we make it 8? I would really like to be present, but I cannot get there til 8. Thx, Kelley On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
Our agenda may include planning a program with trade unionists at the park. -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "No Budget Cuts NY--Discussion" group. To post to this group, send email to no-budget-cuts-nydiscussion@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to no-budget-cuts-nydiscussion+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/no-budgetcuts-ny-discussion?hl=en.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP Friday, September 23, 2011 9:28:10 AM
Sorry, people wanted to meet before the general assembly at 7PM

From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelley Wolcott Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 9:03 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Cc: no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com; no-budget-cuts-nyannouncements@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] OCCUPY WALL ST Labor WORKING GROUP
Can we make it 8? I would really like to be present, but I cannot get there til 8. Thx, Kelley On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:30 PM, Jackie DiSalvo <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: We are meeting again Friday 6PM at the bid red sculpture at the Broadway entrance to Liberty Plaza. Our picketing at the Boathouse in Central Park is off BECAUSE THEY JUST WON! Our agenda may include planning a program with trade unionists at the park. -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "No Budget Cuts NY--Discussion" group. To post to this group, send email to no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to no-budget-cuts-nydiscussion+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/no-budget-cuts-nydiscussion?hl=en.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] occupywallst.org Analytics report - good news we can all use! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:59:30 PM
nice
On 09/20/11, Harrison Schultz<schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Comrades, The situation on at Liberty square is obviously somewhat precarious, however it's a something of a relief to report that things have never looked better in cyberspace! We reached a high water mark in terms of visits and awareness on the 17th!!! We had 56,356 total visits - we were at 12,283 the day before this is an astounding 359% increase! The number fell a down to 43,308 yesterday however this is still far higher than any other day we've seen since before the 17th - feel proud! The number of total unique visitors has followed the same trend there was another astounding 343% increase between the 16th and 17th. We saw a nice spike in the NYC region as well although it was "only" an 89% increase due to the fact local awareness typically seems to be a bit higher than outside NYC. It is also critical to report that most visits to occupywallst.org come from direct traffic searches mostly on google however facebook has become the number one referral site to occupywallst.org. Total visits from Facebook have increased by a whopping 457%. Want more good news? Unlike the other measures I've discussed in this report, visits from Facebook have only been increasing by a very solid 36% over the past few days since the 17th. Bear in mind that facebook is currently only responsible for sending us just under 11% of our total traffic in spite of these huge increases, suggesting that there is huge potential to make the movement grow by using Facebook. It's also important to keep in mind that our comrade Bill/radleft who's been working with us remotely from Tennessee has been hooking many of us up with lots of radio air time - which I unfortunately have no way to measure but which will no doubt help swell our ranks. He informed me yesterday that he personally suspects that we'll see a huge turnout over the weekend. Adbusters has also called for more reinforcements. I hope that the take away lesson from all of this is clear - our strategy has been working! - so dig deep and HOLD YOUR GROUND!!! I also received a report from Grim Woman who began picking up some
negative feedback on the phone lines after a somewhat grim report was listed on occupywallst.org. I strongly urge individuals in this movement to avoid posting images that could be considered "riot porn" for the time being, at least until our numbers on the ground cycle back up. I also suggest avoiding civil disobedience and any unnecessary arrests that might thin our ranks for the moment as well. Let's play some defense on the square for a little while. If you're on the ground and you've been on the ground for too long thank you, you're sacrifices and actions have not been in vain, expect relief this coming weekend. I also propose an unrestrained "content attack" on Facebook - let's flood it with our photos, updates, and youtube clip postings. Let's individually "friend" as many people as possible on the sight and recycle and redistribute our content over and over again by "sharing it" it'll push our individual messages to the top of the news feeds and it will make a difference. I'm on my way back to try and help defend our new home, I look forward to sleeping in the rain with all of you this evening! Love and rage comrades! Harrison Tesoura Schultz
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] occupywallst.org Analytics report - good news we can all use! Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:22:21 AM
Our Facebook page has grown from 300 or so likes on Saturday to over 5,000 today!
On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > nice > > > On 09/20/11, Harrison Schultz<schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > Comrades, > > The situation on at Liberty square is obviously somewhat precarious, > however it's a something of a relief to report that things have never > looked better in cyberspace! > > We reached a high water mark in terms of visits and awareness on the > 17th!!! > We had 56,356 total visits - we were at 12,283 the day before this is > an astounding 359% increase! The number fell a down to 43,308 > yesterday however this is still far higher than any other day we've > seen since before the 17th - feel proud! > > The number of total unique visitors has followed the same trend > there was another astounding 343% increase between the 16th and > 17th. > > We saw a nice spike in the NYC region as well although it was "only" > an 89% increase due to the fact local awareness typically seems to be > a bit higher than outside NYC. > > It is also critical to report that most visits to occupywallst.org > come from direct traffic searches mostly on google however facebook > has become the number one referral site to occupywallst.org. Total > visits from Facebook have increased by a whopping 457%. > > Want more good news? > Unlike the other measures I've discussed in this report, visits from > Facebook have only been increasing by a very solid 36% over the past > few days since the 17th. Bear in mind that facebook is currently only > responsible for sending us just under 11% of our total traffic in > spite of these huge increases, suggesting that there is huge potential > to make the movement grow by using Facebook. > > It's also important to keep in mind that our comrade Bill/radleft > who's been working with us remotely from Tennessee has been hooking > many of us up with lots of radio air time - which I unfortunately have > no way to measure but which will no doubt help swell our ranks. He > informed me yesterday that he personally suspects that we'll see a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
huge turnout over the weekend. Adbusters has also called for more reinforcements. I hope that the take away lesson from all of this is clear - our strategy has been working! - so dig deep and HOLD YOUR GROUND!!! I also received a report from Grim Woman who began picking up some negative feedback on the phone lines after a somewhat grim report was listed on occupywallst.org. I strongly urge individuals in this movement to avoid posting images that could be considered "riot porn" for the time being, at least until our numbers on the ground cycle back up. I also suggest avoiding civil disobedience and any unnecessary arrests that might thin our ranks for the moment as well. Let's play some defense on the square for a little while. If you're on the ground and you've been on the ground for too long thank you, you're sacrifices and actions have not been in vain, expect relief this coming weekend. I also propose an unrestrained "content attack" on Facebook - let's flood it with our photos, updates, and youtube clip postings. Let's individually "friend" as many people as possible on the sight and recycle and redistribute our content over and over again by "sharing it" it'll push our individual messages to the top of the news feeds and it will make a difference. I'm on my way back to try and help defend our new home, I look forward to sleeping in the rain with all of you this evening! Love and rage comrades! Harrison Tesoura Schultz
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justine september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] occupywallst.org Analytics report - good news we can all use! Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:16:04 AM
Absolutely! Yahoo was doing the same thing yesterday so this doesn't surprise me. Yahoo also yielded when they got a torrent of horrible press :) On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Just heard news from Bill/Radleft, that groups in solidarity with us in Vermont have confirmed facebook censorship. Dropped messages, failed "likes" and "Shares" We both agree that Facebook should be punished for this... H. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:22 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Our Facebook page has grown from 300 or so likes on Saturday to over 5,000 today! On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > nice > > > On 09/20/11, Harrison Schultz<schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > Comrades, > > The situation on at Liberty square is obviously somewhat precarious, > however it's a something of a relief to report that things have never > looked better in cyberspace! > > We reached a high water mark in terms of visits and awareness on the > 17th!!! > We had 56,356 total visits - we were at 12,283 the day before this is > an astounding 359% increase! The number fell a down to 43,308 > yesterday however this is still far higher than any other day we've > seen since before the 17th - feel proud! > > The number of total unique visitors has followed the same trend > there was another astounding 343% increase between the 16th and > 17th. > > We saw a nice spike in the NYC region as well although it was "only" > an 89% increase due to the fact local awareness typically seems to be > a bit higher than outside NYC. > > It is also critical to report that most visits to occupywallst.org > come from direct traffic searches mostly on google however facebook > has become the number one referral site to occupywallst.org. Total > visits from Facebook have increased by a whopping 457%. >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Want more good news? Unlike the other measures I've discussed in this report, visits from Facebook have only been increasing by a very solid 36% over the past few days since the 17th. Bear in mind that facebook is currently only responsible for sending us just under 11% of our total traffic in spite of these huge increases, suggesting that there is huge potential to make the movement grow by using Facebook. It's also important to keep in mind that our comrade Bill/radleft who's been working with us remotely from Tennessee has been hooking many of us up with lots of radio air time - which I unfortunately have no way to measure but which will no doubt help swell our ranks. He informed me yesterday that he personally suspects that we'll see a huge turnout over the weekend. Adbusters has also called for more reinforcements. I hope that the take away lesson from all of this is clear - our strategy has been working! - so dig deep and HOLD YOUR GROUND!!! I also received a report from Grim Woman who began picking up some negative feedback on the phone lines after a somewhat grim report was listed on occupywallst.org. I strongly urge individuals in this movement to avoid posting images that could be considered "riot porn" for the time being, at least until our numbers on the ground cycle back up. I also suggest avoiding civil disobedience and any unnecessary arrests that might thin our ranks for the moment as well. Let's play some defense on the square for a little while. If you're on the ground and you've been on the ground for too long thank you, you're sacrifices and actions have not been in vain, expect relief this coming weekend. I also propose an unrestrained "content attack" on Facebook - let's flood it with our photos, updates, and youtube clip postings. Let's individually "friend" as many people as possible on the sight and recycle and redistribute our content over and over again by "sharing it" it'll push our individual messages to the top of the news feeds and it will make a difference. I'm on my way back to try and help defend our new home, I look forward to sleeping in the rain with all of you this evening! Love and rage comrades! Harrison Tesoura Schultz
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] occupywallst.org Analytics report - good news we can all use! Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:04:58 AM
Just heard news from Bill/Radleft, that groups in solidarity with us in Vermont have confirmed facebook censorship. Dropped messages, failed "likes" and "Shares" We both agree that Facebook should be punished for this... H. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:22 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Our Facebook page has grown from 300 or so likes on Saturday to over 5,000 today! On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > nice > > > On 09/20/11, Harrison Schultz<schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > Comrades, > > The situation on at Liberty square is obviously somewhat precarious, > however it's a something of a relief to report that things have never > looked better in cyberspace! > > We reached a high water mark in terms of visits and awareness on the > 17th!!! > We had 56,356 total visits - we were at 12,283 the day before this is > an astounding 359% increase! The number fell a down to 43,308 > yesterday however this is still far higher than any other day we've > seen since before the 17th - feel proud! > > The number of total unique visitors has followed the same trend > there was another astounding 343% increase between the 16th and > 17th. > > We saw a nice spike in the NYC region as well although it was "only" > an 89% increase due to the fact local awareness typically seems to be > a bit higher than outside NYC. > > It is also critical to report that most visits to occupywallst.org > come from direct traffic searches mostly on google however facebook > has become the number one referral site to occupywallst.org. Total > visits from Facebook have increased by a whopping 457%. > > Want more good news? > Unlike the other measures I've discussed in this report, visits from > Facebook have only been increasing by a very solid 36% over the past > few days since the 17th. Bear in mind that facebook is currently only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
responsible for sending us just under 11% of our total traffic in spite of these huge increases, suggesting that there is huge potential to make the movement grow by using Facebook. It's also important to keep in mind that our comrade Bill/radleft who's been working with us remotely from Tennessee has been hooking many of us up with lots of radio air time - which I unfortunately have no way to measure but which will no doubt help swell our ranks. He informed me yesterday that he personally suspects that we'll see a huge turnout over the weekend. Adbusters has also called for more reinforcements. I hope that the take away lesson from all of this is clear - our strategy has been working! - so dig deep and HOLD YOUR GROUND!!! I also received a report from Grim Woman who began picking up some negative feedback on the phone lines after a somewhat grim report was listed on occupywallst.org. I strongly urge individuals in this movement to avoid posting images that could be considered "riot porn" for the time being, at least until our numbers on the ground cycle back up. I also suggest avoiding civil disobedience and any unnecessary arrests that might thin our ranks for the moment as well. Let's play some defense on the square for a little while. If you're on the ground and you've been on the ground for too long thank you, you're sacrifices and actions have not been in vain, expect relief this coming weekend. I also propose an unrestrained "content attack" on Facebook - let's flood it with our photos, updates, and youtube clip postings. Let's individually "friend" as many people as possible on the sight and recycle and redistribute our content over and over again by "sharing it" it'll push our individual messages to the top of the news feeds and it will make a difference. I'm on my way back to try and help defend our new home, I look forward to sleeping in the rain with all of you this evening! Love and rage comrades! Harrison Tesoura Schultz
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] occupywallst.org Analytics report - good news we can all use! Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:36:55 AM
Does anyone have the facts about the missing Mariel? On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Absolutely! Yahoo was doing the same thing yesterday so this doesn't surprise me. Yahoo also yielded when they got a torrent of horrible press :) On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Just heard news from Bill/Radleft, that groups in solidarity with us in Vermont have confirmed facebook censorship. Dropped messages, failed "likes" and "Shares" We both agree that Facebook should be punished for this... H. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:22 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Our Facebook page has grown from 300 or so likes on Saturday to over 5,000 today! On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > nice > > > On 09/20/11, Harrison Schultz<schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > Comrades, > > The situation on at Liberty square is obviously somewhat precarious, > however it's a something of a relief to report that things have never > looked better in cyberspace! > > We reached a high water mark in terms of visits and awareness on the > 17th!!! > We had 56,356 total visits - we were at 12,283 the day before this is > an astounding 359% increase! The number fell a down to 43,308 > yesterday however this is still far higher than any other day we've > seen since before the 17th - feel proud! > > The number of total unique visitors has followed the same trend > there was another astounding 343% increase between the 16th and > 17th. > > We saw a nice spike in the NYC region as well although it was "only" > an 89% increase due to the fact local awareness typically seems to be > a bit higher than outside NYC. > > It is also critical to report that most visits to occupywallst.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
come from direct traffic searches mostly on google however facebook has become the number one referral site to occupywallst.org. Total visits from Facebook have increased by a whopping 457%. Want more good news? Unlike the other measures I've discussed in this report, visits from Facebook have only been increasing by a very solid 36% over the past few days since the 17th. Bear in mind that facebook is currently only responsible for sending us just under 11% of our total traffic in spite of these huge increases, suggesting that there is huge potential to make the movement grow by using Facebook. It's also important to keep in mind that our comrade Bill/radleft who's been working with us remotely from Tennessee has been hooking many of us up with lots of radio air time - which I unfortunately have no way to measure but which will no doubt help swell our ranks. He informed me yesterday that he personally suspects that we'll see a huge turnout over the weekend. Adbusters has also called for more reinforcements. I hope that the take away lesson from all of this is clear - our strategy has been working! - so dig deep and HOLD YOUR GROUND!!! I also received a report from Grim Woman who began picking up some negative feedback on the phone lines after a somewhat grim report was listed on occupywallst.org. I strongly urge individuals in this movement to avoid posting images that could be considered "riot porn" for the time being, at least until our numbers on the ground cycle back up. I also suggest avoiding civil disobedience and any unnecessary arrests that might thin our ranks for the moment as well. Let's play some defense on the square for a little while. If you're on the ground and you've been on the ground for too long thank you, you're sacrifices and actions have not been in vain, expect relief this coming weekend. I also propose an unrestrained "content attack" on Facebook - let's flood it with our photos, updates, and youtube clip postings. Let's individually "friend" as many people as possible on the sight and recycle and redistribute our content over and over again by "sharing it" it'll push our individual messages to the top of the news feeds and it will make a difference. I'm on my way back to try and help defend our new home, I look forward to sleeping in the rain with all of you this evening! Love and rage comrades! Harrison Tesoura Schultz
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of NicolasMoselleAllen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] occupywallst.org Analytics report - good news we can all use! Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:24:10 PM
sorry, but I just noticed that the link has a "." in the middle of youtube, "you.tube". just saying... On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Ashley Anderson <ashley@peacefuluprising.org> wrote:
Take screen snips of the censored posts, then post as photo and tag teh facebook.
Ashley Anderson
Director Peaceful Uprising 801-652-2971 | Tw | Fb Core Principles
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:36 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Does anyone have the facts about the missing Mariel? On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Absolutely! Yahoo was doing the same thing yesterday so this doesn't surprise me. Yahoo also yielded when they got a torrent of horrible press :) On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Just heard news from Bill/Radleft, that groups in solidarity with us in Vermont have confirmed facebook censorship. Dropped messages, failed "likes" and "Shares" We both agree that Facebook should be punished for this... H. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:22 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Our Facebook page has grown from 300 or so likes on Saturday to over 5,000 today! On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > nice > > > On 09/20/11, Harrison Schultz<schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > Comrades, > > The situation on at Liberty square is obviously somewhat precarious, > however it's a something of a relief to report that things have never > looked better in cyberspace! > > We reached a high water mark in terms of visits and awareness on the > 17th!!! > We had 56,356 total visits - we were at 12,283 the day before this is > an astounding 359% increase! The number fell a down to 43,308 > yesterday however this is still far higher than any other day we've > seen since before the 17th - feel proud! > > The number of total unique visitors has followed the same trend > there was another astounding 343% increase between the 16th and > 17th. > > We saw a nice spike in the NYC region as well although it was "only" > an 89% increase due to the fact local awareness typically seems to be > a bit higher than outside NYC. > > It is also critical to report that most visits to occupywallst.org > come from direct traffic searches mostly on google however facebook > has become the number one referral site to occupywallst.org. Total > visits from Facebook have increased by a whopping 457%. > > Want more good news? > Unlike the other measures I've discussed in this report, visits from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Facebook have only been increasing by a very solid 36% over the past few days since the 17th. Bear in mind that facebook is currently only responsible for sending us just under 11% of our total traffic in spite of these huge increases, suggesting that there is huge potential to make the movement grow by using Facebook. It's also important to keep in mind that our comrade Bill/radleft who's been working with us remotely from Tennessee has been hooking many of us up with lots of radio air time - which I unfortunately have no way to measure but which will no doubt help swell our ranks. He informed me yesterday that he personally suspects that we'll see a huge turnout over the weekend. Adbusters has also called for more reinforcements. I hope that the take away lesson from all of this is clear - our strategy has been working! - so dig deep and HOLD YOUR GROUND!!! I also received a report from Grim Woman who began picking up some negative feedback on the phone lines after a somewhat grim report was listed on occupywallst.org. I strongly urge individuals in this movement to avoid posting images that could be considered "riot porn" for the time being, at least until our numbers on the ground cycle back up. I also suggest avoiding civil disobedience and any unnecessary arrests that might thin our ranks for the moment as well. Let's play some defense on the square for a little while. If you're on the ground and you've been on the ground for too long thank you, you're sacrifices and actions have not been in vain, expect relief this coming weekend. I also propose an unrestrained "content attack" on Facebook - let's flood it with our photos, updates, and youtube clip postings. Let's individually "friend" as many people as possible on the sight and recycle and redistribute our content over and over again by "sharing it" it'll push our individual messages to the top of the news feeds and it will make a difference. I'm on my way back to try and help defend our new home, I look forward to sleeping in the rain with all of you this evening! Love and rage comrades! Harrison Tesoura Schultz
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] occupywallst.org Analytics report - good news we can all use! Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:00:45 PM
we need someone to create a screencast video that proves FB censorship like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmj9Tfs9ijU Then we can go after Facebook like we did Yahoo, media seem to love this story angle. Our attack on Yahoo worked because censorship was easily replicated and confirmed by media. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Absolutely! Yahoo was doing the same thing yesterday so this doesn't surprise me. Yahoo also yielded when they got a torrent of horrible press :) On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Just heard news from Bill/Radleft, that groups in solidarity with us in Vermont have confirmed facebook censorship. Dropped messages, failed "likes" and "Shares" We both agree that Facebook should be punished for this... H. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:22 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Our Facebook page has grown from 300 or so likes on Saturday to over 5,000 today! On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > nice > > > On 09/20/11, Harrison Schultz<schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > Comrades, > > The situation on at Liberty square is obviously somewhat precarious, > however it's a something of a relief to report that things have never > looked better in cyberspace! > > We reached a high water mark in terms of visits and awareness on the > 17th!!! > We had 56,356 total visits - we were at 12,283 the day before this is > an astounding 359% increase! The number fell a down to 43,308 > yesterday however this is still far higher than any other day we've > seen since before the 17th - feel proud! > > The number of total unique visitors has followed the same trend > there was another astounding 343% increase between the 16th and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
17th. We saw a nice spike in the NYC region as well although it was "only" an 89% increase due to the fact local awareness typically seems to be a bit higher than outside NYC. It is also critical to report that most visits to occupywallst.org come from direct traffic searches mostly on google however facebook has become the number one referral site to occupywallst.org. Total visits from Facebook have increased by a whopping 457%. Want more good news? Unlike the other measures I've discussed in this report, visits from Facebook have only been increasing by a very solid 36% over the past few days since the 17th. Bear in mind that facebook is currently only responsible for sending us just under 11% of our total traffic in spite of these huge increases, suggesting that there is huge potential to make the movement grow by using Facebook. It's also important to keep in mind that our comrade Bill/radleft who's been working with us remotely from Tennessee has been hooking many of us up with lots of radio air time - which I unfortunately have no way to measure but which will no doubt help swell our ranks. He informed me yesterday that he personally suspects that we'll see a huge turnout over the weekend. Adbusters has also called for more reinforcements. I hope that the take away lesson from all of this is clear - our strategy has been working! - so dig deep and HOLD YOUR GROUND!!! I also received a report from Grim Woman who began picking up some negative feedback on the phone lines after a somewhat grim report was listed on occupywallst.org. I strongly urge individuals in this movement to avoid posting images that could be considered "riot porn" for the time being, at least until our numbers on the ground cycle back up. I also suggest avoiding civil disobedience and any unnecessary arrests that might thin our ranks for the moment as well. Let's play some defense on the square for a little while. If you're on the ground and you've been on the ground for too long thank you, you're sacrifices and actions have not been in vain, expect relief this coming weekend. I also propose an unrestrained "content attack" on Facebook - let's flood it with our photos, updates, and youtube clip postings. Let's individually "friend" as many people as possible on the sight and recycle and redistribute our content over and over again by "sharing it" it'll push our individual messages to the top of the news feeds and it will make a difference. I'm on my way back to try and help defend our new home, I look forward to sleeping in the rain with all of you this evening!
> Love and rage comrades! > > Harrison Tesoura Schultz >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ashley Anderson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] occupywallst.org Analytics report - good news we can all use! Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:38:09 PM
Take screen snips of the censored posts, then post as photo and tag teh facebook.
Ashley Anderson
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:36 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: Does anyone have the facts about the missing Mariel? On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: Absolutely! Yahoo was doing the same thing yesterday so this doesn't surprise me. Yahoo also yielded when they got a torrent of horrible press :) On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 9:04 AM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: Just heard news from Bill/Radleft, that groups in solidarity with us in Vermont have confirmed facebook censorship. Dropped messages, failed "likes" and "Shares" We both agree that Facebook should be punished for this... H. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:22 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Our Facebook page has grown from 300 or so likes on Saturday to over 5,000 today! On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote: > nice > > > On 09/20/11, Harrison Schultz<schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > Comrades, > > The situation on at Liberty square is obviously somewhat precarious, > however it's a something of a relief to report that things have never > looked better in cyberspace! > > We reached a high water mark in terms of visits and awareness on the > 17th!!! > We had 56,356 total visits - we were at 12,283 the day before this is > an astounding 359% increase! The number fell a down to 43,308 > yesterday however this is still far higher than any other day we've > seen since before the 17th - feel proud! > > The number of total unique visitors has followed the same trend > there was another astounding 343% increase between the 16th and > 17th. > > We saw a nice spike in the NYC region as well although it was "only" > an 89% increase due to the fact local awareness typically seems to be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
a bit higher than outside NYC. It is also critical to report that most visits to occupywallst.org come from direct traffic searches mostly on google however facebook has become the number one referral site to occupywallst.org. Total visits from Facebook have increased by a whopping 457%. Want more good news? Unlike the other measures I've discussed in this report, visits from Facebook have only been increasing by a very solid 36% over the past few days since the 17th. Bear in mind that facebook is currently only responsible for sending us just under 11% of our total traffic in spite of these huge increases, suggesting that there is huge potential to make the movement grow by using Facebook. It's also important to keep in mind that our comrade Bill/radleft who's been working with us remotely from Tennessee has been hooking many of us up with lots of radio air time - which I unfortunately have no way to measure but which will no doubt help swell our ranks. He informed me yesterday that he personally suspects that we'll see a huge turnout over the weekend. Adbusters has also called for more reinforcements. I hope that the take away lesson from all of this is clear - our strategy has been working! - so dig deep and HOLD YOUR GROUND!!! I also received a report from Grim Woman who began picking up some negative feedback on the phone lines after a somewhat grim report was listed on occupywallst.org. I strongly urge individuals in this movement to avoid posting images that could be considered "riot porn" for the time being, at least until our numbers on the ground cycle back up. I also suggest avoiding civil disobedience and any unnecessary arrests that might thin our ranks for the moment as well. Let's play some defense on the square for a little while. If you're on the ground and you've been on the ground for too long thank you, you're sacrifices and actions have not been in vain, expect relief this coming weekend. I also propose an unrestrained "content attack" on Facebook - let's flood it with our photos, updates, and youtube clip postings. Let's individually "friend" as many people as possible on the sight and recycle and redistribute our content over and over again by "sharing it" it'll push our individual messages to the top of the news feeds and it will make a difference. I'm on my way back to try and help defend our new home, I look forward to sleeping in the rain with all of you this evening! Love and rage comrades! Harrison Tesoura Schultz
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] occupywallst.org Analytics report - good news we can all use! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:07:26 PM
What he said; other thing, I think definitely more "Facebook attack" than "twitter and email the media" attack; there has been quite a bit of backlash against our supporters complaining about the relative lack of media coverage, media coverage which frankly, given our numbers, we don't deserve (and a pretty big mistake was made in the whole initial call for 20,000 thing). --glj On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > Comrades, > > The situation on at Liberty square is obviously somewhat precarious, > however it's a something of a relief to report that things have never > looked better in cyberspace! > > We reached a high water mark in terms of visits and awareness on the > 17th!!! > We had 56,356 total visits - we were at 12,283 the day before this is > an astounding 359% increase! The number fell a down to 43,308 > yesterday however this is still far higher than any other day we've > seen since before the 17th - feel proud! > > The number of total unique visitors has followed the same trend > there was another astounding 343% increase between the 16th and > 17th. > > We saw a nice spike in the NYC region as well although it was "only" > an 89% increase due to the fact local awareness typically seems to be > a bit higher than outside NYC. > > It is also critical to report that most visits to occupywallst.org > come from direct traffic searches mostly on google however facebook > has become the number one referral site to occupywallst.org. Total > visits from Facebook have increased by a whopping 457%. > > Want more good news? > Unlike the other measures I've discussed in this report, visits from > Facebook have only been increasing by a very solid 36% over the past > few days since the 17th. Bear in mind that facebook is currently only > responsible for sending us just under 11% of our total traffic in > spite of these huge increases, suggesting that there is huge potential > to make the movement grow by using Facebook. > > It's also important to keep in mind that our comrade Bill/radleft > who's been working with us remotely from Tennessee has been hooking > many of us up with lots of radio air time - which I unfortunately have > no way to measure but which will no doubt help swell our ranks. He > informed me yesterday that he personally suspects that we'll see a > huge turnout over the weekend. Adbusters has also called for more > reinforcements. > > I hope that the take away lesson from all of this is clear - our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
strategy has been working! - so dig deep and HOLD YOUR GROUND!!! I also received a report from Grim Woman who began picking up some negative feedback on the phone lines after a somewhat grim report was listed on occupywallst.org. I strongly urge individuals in this movement to avoid posting images that could be considered "riot porn" for the time being, at least until our numbers on the ground cycle back up. I also suggest avoiding civil disobedience and any unnecessary arrests that might thin our ranks for the moment as well. Let's play some defense on the square for a little while. If you're on the ground and you've been on the ground for too long thank you, you're sacrifices and actions have not been in vain, expect relief this coming weekend. I also propose an unrestrained "content attack" on Facebook - let's flood it with our photos, updates, and youtube clip postings. Let's individually "friend" as many people as possible on the sight and recycle and redistribute our content over and over again by "sharing it" it'll push our individual messages to the top of the news feeds and it will make a difference. I'm on my way back to try and help defend our new home, I look forward to sleeping in the rain with all of you this evening! Love and rage comrades! Harrison Tesoura Schultz
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] On Black Lights, Hellium Ballons and Humanization (check photos) Friday, September 23, 2011 12:58:14 PM
This'll all make good 1st amendment police bait too! H.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Do it! Tweeted: OccupyWallStNYC Patch Adams called us: ""The revolution needs 2 be FUN! & humanizing! It cannot b burdensome, or else the weight becomes unbearable" #sep17 9/23/11 12:43 PM
On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho wrote: I also second the helium ballons. As a side note already announced at the GA, Patch Adams called me the other day to congratulate us on everything we are doing and the bravery we are showing, and asked me to pass the following message: "The revolution needs to be FUN! And humanizing! It cannot be burdensome, or else the weight becomes umbearable". Indeed, thanks Patch! Inspired by that and the ballon idea, i want to set up at Liberty Square Black Lights on the trees or floor, protected in a iron clad, so we all glow at night. Not only that, if we use fluorescent paint, we can look like Avatar my brothers and sisters! This can give the aesthetic impression to passerby's and media that something really special is happening there (which is, Participatory Democracy! :-) Below some photos on how this would look like. Ale -Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds
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september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] On Black Lights, Hellium Ballons and Humanization (check photos) Friday, September 23, 2011 4:58:04 PM
awesome
On 09/23/11, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho<ac3018@nyu.edu> wrote: I also second the helium ballons. As a side note already announced at the GA, Patch Adams called me the other day to congratulate us on everything we are doing and the bravery we are showing, and asked me to pass the following message: "The revolution needs to be FUN! And humanizing! It cannot be burdensome, or else the weight becomes umbearable". Indeed, thanks Patch!
Inspired by that and the ballon idea, i want to set up at Liberty Square Black Lights on the trees or floor, protected in a iron clad, so we all glow at night. Not only that, if we use fluorescent paint, we can look like Avatar my brothers and sisters! This can give the aesthetic impression to passerby's and media that something really special is happening there (which is, Participatory Democracy! :-) Below some photos on how this would look like. Ale -Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] On Black Lights, Hellium Ballons and Humanization (check photos) Friday, September 23, 2011 12:44:22 PM
Do it! Tweeted: OccupyWallStNYC Patch Adams called us: ""The revolution needs 2 be FUN! & humanizing! It cannot b burdensome, or else the weight becomes unbearable" #sep17 9/23/11 12:43 PM
On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:42 PM, Alexandre Machado De Sant'Anna Carvalho wrote: I also second the helium ballons. As a side note already announced at the GA, Patch Adams called me the other day to congratulate us on everything we are doing and the bravery we are showing, and asked me to pass the following message: "The revolution needs to be FUN! And humanizing! It cannot be burdensome, or else the weight becomes umbearable". Indeed, thanks Patch! Inspired by that and the ballon idea, i want to set up at Liberty Square Black Lights on the trees or floor, protected in a iron clad, so we all glow at night. Not only that, if we use fluorescent paint, we can look like Avatar my brothers and sisters! This can give the aesthetic impression to passerby's and media that something really special is happening there (which is, Participatory Democracy! :-) Below some photos on how this would look like. Ale -Alexandre M.S. Carvalho, M.D., MPH 2009 Reynolds Fellow mobile +1 914 563 4209 home +1 914 633 0415 www.nyu.edu/reynolds <avatars.JPG><cosmiccavern.JPG><cosmicdali.JPG><cosmichands.JPG>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justine september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] On nonviolence and technology Friday, September 23, 2011 5:33:30 PM
Thanks for bringing these to our attention, they're very well written and include a lot of information. I also just left you a voicemail so hopefully you can get back to me whenever you get a chance. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Nathan Schneider <nathan@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: Dear occupiers, Having taken a break from the plaza for a night and a day, I've been doing some more reflective thinking about this magnificent movement and certain aspects of it and its tactics. I'd like to share with you the two articles I've published since leaving the plaza late last night (and what a night it was!). The first, which appeared this morning on the website Truthout, takes a look at the role that technology has played in the movementand the ways that it has often misled those trying to understand what it's really all about. Basically, it's a reminder (which we all should already know) that one cannot build a revolution on Twitter alone: http://www.truth-out.org/occupywallstreet-more-hashtag-its-revolutionformation/1316784846 http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-is-more-than-a-hashtag/ The second, which is perhaps a bit more critical, is about the way that we've been responding to incursions by the police. I take as a jumping-off point some things said by Ivan Marovic of Otpor last night, who helped lead the student movement that brought down Milosevic. I argue here that the occupation should make more of a priority of teaching nonviolent discipline and tacticswhich isn't to say, of course, that there has been violence on its part: http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/the-whole-world-is-watching-nonviolenceat-liberty-plaza/ I hope these are in some way useful to some of you, or to someone you know. Yours, Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] On nonviolence and technology Friday, September 23, 2011 5:25:05 PM
I like this article as honest and informative, but I would give Alexis and her Day of Rage movement more credit for having done a ton of work and getting lots of press buildup for the event. Otherwise nice and article and thanks for working so hard to save the world.
On 09/23/11, Nathan Schneider<nathan@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: Dear occupiers, Having taken a break from the plaza for a night and a day, I've been doing some more reflective thinking about this magnificent movement and certain aspects of it and its tactics. I'd like to share with you the two articles I've published since leaving the plaza late last night (and what a night it was!). The first, which appeared this morning on the website Truthout, takes a look at the role that technology has played in the movementand the ways that it has often misled those trying to understand what it's really all about. Basically, it's a reminder (which we all should already know) that one cannot build a revolution on Twitter alone: http://www.truth-out.org/occupywallstreet-more-hashtag-its-revolution-formation/1316784846 http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-is-more-than-a-hashtag/ The second, which is perhaps a bit more critical, is about the way that we've been responding to incursions by the police. I take as a jumping-off point some things said by Ivan Marovic of Otpor last night, who helped lead the student movement that brought down Milosevic. I argue here that the occupation should make more of a priority of teaching nonviolent discipline and tacticswhich isn't to say, of course, that there has been violence on its part: http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/the-whole-world-is-watching-nonviolence-at-liberty-plaza/ I hope these are in some way useful to some of you, or to someone you know. Yours, Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Outreach Monday, September 19, 2011 11:24:50 AM
I wont be able to make a meeting today-- but I am down for anything during the day during this week, just let me know. Also, any action at that conference will be covered by all the internets as it is being held by Mashable-- make it loud, peaceful and proud. mucho amor to all of you-priscilla On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Yes. We need to do outreach... This looks good. Is anybody up for an outreach meeting later today? We need a flyer and we need to be talking to the 99%.
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > What does the group think about going to this conference for outreach and > publicity to call people downtown? http://mashable.com/sgs/ possible action > there since there are so many corporate sponsors? >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Outreach Monday, September 19, 2011 12:25:08 PM
I love this idea! Anyone with dig camera should do it! On Monday, September 19, 2011, gwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > Also, for a street action, I thought it might be good to go around > with a mobile phone, sharpies and paper and ask people to write down > why they are the 99%, take their photo and send it to the > wearethe99percent tumblr and cross post on all other media as well.... > NYC natives are TOTALLY behind this in everyway as we have to deal > with Wall Street types in every area of our lives and the people who > work for those institutions are as douchy as the missions that they > serve, and everyone you will meet on the street has an amazing story. > It will really resonate with people across the country/world as well, > who are all watching this intensely and supporting us with their > hearts, minds, dreams, wishes, and hopes. > > If I can get a twitter list of people doing this and they just send > the photos to their twitter streams I will take care of sending to the > 99% tumblr so that they all wind up at the right place with minimal > effort. > > -priscilla > > On Sep 19, 11:24 am, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I wont be able to make a meeting today-- but I am down for anything during >> the day during this week, just let me know. Also, any action at that >> conference will be covered by all the internets as it is being held by >> Mashable-- make it loud, peaceful and proud. >> >> mucho amor to all of you-priscilla >> >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivecha...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes. We need to do outreach... This looks good. >> > Is anybody up for an outreach meeting later today? We need a flyer >> > and we need to be talking to the 99%. >> >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > What does the group think about going to this conference for outreach and >> > > publicity to call people downtown?http://mashable.com/sgs/possible >> > action
>> > > there since there are so many corporate sponsors?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Outreach Monday, September 19, 2011 1:48:45 PM
I can walk around and do a bit tomorrow during the day. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: I love this idea! Anyone with dig camera should do it! On Monday, September 19, 2011, gwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > Also, for a street action, I thought it might be good to go around > with a mobile phone, sharpies and paper and ask people to write down > why they are the 99%, take their photo and send it to the > wearethe99percent tumblr and cross post on all other media as well.... > NYC natives are TOTALLY behind this in everyway as we have to deal > with Wall Street types in every area of our lives and the people who > work for those institutions are as douchy as the missions that they > serve, and everyone you will meet on the street has an amazing story. > It will really resonate with people across the country/world as well, > who are all watching this intensely and supporting us with their > hearts, minds, dreams, wishes, and hopes. > > If I can get a twitter list of people doing this and they just send > the photos to their twitter streams I will take care of sending to the > 99% tumblr so that they all wind up at the right place with minimal > effort. > > -priscilla > > On Sep 19, 11:24 am, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> I wont be able to make a meeting today-- but I am down for anything during >> the day during this week, just let me know. Also, any action at that >> conference will be covered by all the internets as it is being held by >> Mashable-- make it loud, peaceful and proud. >> >> mucho amor to all of you-priscilla >> >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivecha...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Yes. We need to do outreach... This looks good. >> > Is anybody up for an outreach meeting later today? We need a flyer >> > and we need to be talking to the 99%. >> >> > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com>
wrote: >> > > What does the group think about going to this conference for outreach and >> > > publicity to call people downtown?http://mashable.com/sgs/possible >> > action >> > > there since there are so many corporate sponsors?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Outreach Monday, September 19, 2011 11:21:23 AM
Yes. We need to do outreach... This looks good. Is anybody up for an outreach meeting later today? We need a flyer and we need to be talking to the 99%.
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > What does the group think about going to this conference for outreach and > publicity to call people downtown? http://mashable.com/sgs/ possible action > there since there are so many corporate sponsors? >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Please tweet @NYC_GA important information Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:20:06 AM
1 follower? following 5? who is this running this, and is it brand new? not opposed to it, just trying to figure out what's up. -justin On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:11 AM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Hello everyone, I know we have a lot of twitter accounts flying around, I would like put another in the mix. @NYC_GA I think the best way to pass information to the web site is through this method. Just tweet or find someone to tweet important information as it relates to the General Assembly. Like: General Assembly minutes Calendar events from GA or working groups Important links, such as donation or legal information News alerts Anyone who can get involved with blogging from the ground please e-mail drew@nycga.net and register for an account on the site. Then meet me or one of the other internet committee members and we'll give you access.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alexa D. O"Brien september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Please tweet @NYC_GA important information Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:29:24 AM
When the GA becomes an independent body of people, that can even vote on process by consensus, I'll tweet it. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:11 AM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Hello everyone, I know we have a lot of twitter accounts flying around, I would like put another in the mix. @NYC_GA I think the best way to pass information to the web site is through this method. Just tweet or find someone to tweet important information as it relates to the General Assembly. Like: General Assembly minutes Calendar events from GA or working groups Important links, such as donation or legal information News alerts Anyone who can get involved with blogging from the ground please e-mail drew@nycga.net and register for an account on the site. Then meet me or one of the other internet committee members and we'll give you access.
-alexaobrien@gmail.com www.alexaobrien.com
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Please tweet @NYC_GA important information Thursday, September 22, 2011 9:03:36 AM
We are just using this account to compile media and information as it relates to the GA and liberty plaza. Thanks though :) On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Alexa D. O'Brien <alexaobrien@gmail.com> wrote: When the GA becomes an independent body of people, that can even vote on process by consensus, I'll tweet it. On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:11 AM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Hello everyone, I know we have a lot of twitter accounts flying around, I would like put another in the mix. @NYC_GA I think the best way to pass information to the web site is through this method. Just tweet or find someone to tweet important information as it relates to the General Assembly. Like: General Assembly minutes Calendar events from GA or working groups Important links, such as donation or legal information News alerts Anyone who can get involved with blogging from the ground please e-mail drew@nycga.net and register for an account on the site. Then meet me or one of the other internet committee members and we'll give you access.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Please tweet @NYC_GA important information Wednesday, September 21, 2011 2:29:58 AM
Oh it's me, Drew. I made the account recently as a way to communicate directly with the NYCGA.NET website. Currently I and a few other volunteers are working on getting content to the site but there is defiantly a speed issue getting content to our site. -Drew Hornbein On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:19 AM, J Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: 1 follower? following 5? who is this running this, and is it brand new? not opposed to it, just trying to figure out what's up. -justin On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 1:11 AM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: Hello everyone, I know we have a lot of twitter accounts flying around, I would like put another in the mix. @NYC_GA I think the best way to pass information to the web site is through this method. Just tweet or find someone to tweet important information as it relates to the General Assembly. Like: General Assembly minutes Calendar events from GA or working groups Important links, such as donation or legal information News alerts Anyone who can get involved with blogging from the ground please e-mail drew@nycga.net and register for an account on the site. Then meet me or one of the other internet committee members and we'll give you access.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] PR Blurb Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:13:52 PM
That's beautiful. Should there be an evening GA on the schedule?
On 09/20/11, Larissa Belcic<labelcic@gmail.com> wrote: I wrote up this PR Blurb regarding Saturday as well as the weekday schedule (it appears here sans formatting). I think that what it is really lacking is contact information--there needs to be an email address and phone number that people can get in touch with for any questions. Anyone know what to put down? Also I think an outreach letter and a press release need to be concocted ASAP. There should be one open letter for individuals as well as a more direct letter we can submit to organizations asking for their support. Thoughts?
Political parties govern in the name of the 1% who control almost all financial wealth, but almost all of us are the 99%. We are gathering in a space in the heart of Wall Street to bring our concerns to light. Join us this Saturday, September 23rd at 12PM at Zuccotti Park in NYC for We Are the 99% Day. All are welcome! Air your concerns, discuss your opinions, and join us in making our presence in this nation known. You may also join us on weekdays at 9AM for a march to Wall Street for the opening bell, at 1PM for General Assembly to discuss strategies and issues, and at 3:30PM for a march to Wall Street for the closing bell. If you are frustrated with Americas financial climate, come and make it known. We are the 99%, and so are you. Facebook Status Post: Political parties govern in the name of the 1% who control almost all financial wealth, but almost all of us are the 99%. We are gathering in a space in the heart of Wall Street to bring our concerns to light. Join us this Saturday, September 23rd at 12PM at Zuccotti Park in NYC for We Are the 99% Day.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] PR Blurb Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:18:44 PM
+1 this is great! On Sep 20, 2011, at 10:13 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:

That's beautiful. Should there be an evening GA on the schedule?
On 09/20/11, Larissa Belcic<labelcic@gmail.com> wrote: I wrote up this PR Blurb regarding Saturday as well as the weekday schedule (it appears here sans formatting). I think that what it is really lacking is contact information--there needs to be an email address and phone number that people can get in touch with for any questions. Anyone know what to put down? Also I think an outreach letter and a press release need to be concocted ASAP. There should be one open letter for individuals as well as a more direct letter we can submit to organizations asking for their support. Thoughts?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] PR Blurb Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:52:09 PM
Great work, thanks. On Tuesday, September 20, 2011, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: > +1 this is great! > On Sep 20, 2011, at 10:13 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote: > > That's beautiful. Should there be an evening GA on the schedule? > > > On 09/20/11, Larissa Belcic<labelcic@gmail.com> wrote: > I wrote up this PR Blurb regarding Saturday as well as the weekday > schedule (it appears here sans formatting). I think that what it is > really lacking is contact information--there needs to be an email > address and phone number that people can get in touch with for any > questions. Anyone know what to put down? > Also I think an outreach letter and a press release need to be > concocted ASAP. There should be one open letter for individuals as > well as a more direct letter we can submit to organizations asking for > their support. Thoughts? > > > > Political parties govern in the name of the 1% who control almost all > financial wealth, but almost all of us are the 99%. > > We are gathering in a space in the heart of Wall Street to bring our > concerns to light. Join us this Saturday, September 23rd at 12PM at > Zuccotti Park in NYC for We Are the 99% Day. > > All are welcome! Air your concerns, discuss your opinions, and join us > in making our presence in this nation known. > > You may also join us on weekdays at 9AM for a march to Wall Street for > the opening bell, at 1PM for General Assembly to discuss strategies > and issues, and at 3:30PM for a march to Wall Street for the closing > bell. > > If you are frustrated with Americas financial climate, come and make > it known. We are the 99%, and so are you. > > Facebook Status Post: > Political parties govern in the name of the 1% who control almost all > financial wealth, but almost all of us are the 99%. > > We are gathering in a space in the heart of Wall Street to bring our > concerns to light. Join us this Saturday, September 23rd at 12PM at
> Zuccotti Park in NYC for We Are the 99% Day. > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] PR Blurb Tuesday, September 20, 2011 10:06:07 PM
Here is the email and phone# (from the website): The number is: (877) 881-3020 For general inquiries, please email the NYC organizers at: 9.17occupywallstreet@gmail.com
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:04 PM, Larissa Belcic <labelcic@gmail.com> wrote: I wrote up this PR Blurb regarding Saturday as well as the weekday schedule (it appears here sans formatting). I think that what it is really lacking is contact information--there needs to be an email address and phone number that people can get in touch with for any questions. Anyone know what to put down? Also I think an outreach letter and a press release need to be concocted ASAP. There should be one open letter for individuals as well as a more direct letter we can submit to organizations asking for their support. Thoughts?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Press Advisory for We are the 99% March needs to go out out ASAP Friday, September 23, 2011 10:47:22 AM
yes-- here is it with links: http://grimwomyn.tumblr.com/post/10517845352/wearethe99-occupywallstreet On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:38 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Attention Media Working Group. Is the release out or is it going out this morning? Getting prearticles and stories that announce the March on Saturday is important to getting people to the park. Can someone from media send this around so we can all help get it out there.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] PRINT FLYERS Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:02:26 AM
These are too small to print! Please provide full resolution images. I suggest using http://ge.tt for file hosting. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:01 AM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: here's another flyer if people want to print! the "bw" is for printing in black and white (even though it's in computer on color... i made the "handwritten" text black so it appears in a b/w print-out. it includes the nocutsny.wordpress.com (new yorkers against budget cuts) website... the people that were responsible for planning the recent bloombergville occupation from june! plus it includes twitter hashtags... the toll-free roll over PHONE NUMBER in case people that DON'T HAVE A COMPUTER AND DON'T HAVE INTERNET (many many people!) want to participate and get current updates about location, etc!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alexa D. O"Brien september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Printing flyers Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:41:45 PM
Paging Publius. #occupywallstreet has FLYER FUND. DONATE http://bit.ly/oo538N #usdor On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, M.S. Kushneir <mskushneir@gmail.com> wrote: send me the PDFs when do you need them by? -Mark & Sonia On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of M.S. Kushneir september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Printing flyers Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:57:01 PM
send me the PDFs when do you need them by? -Mark & Sonia On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: Why not use the $6000 in food money for flyers? I believe Justin Wedes has access to the account. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I was only able to crank out 100, which I left on the table by the front of the GA. I'll try and print more once my boss has gone home. Nobody else in my office is sympathetic to the occupation so I've got to be sneaky. Rock on, Jon On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:46 PM, MAd Hatter <progressivechange@gmail.com> wrote: Who can print flyers? We need thousands.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] proposal: No Corporate Donations / No Advertising Friday, September 23, 2011 11:19:47 AM
Congratulations on a beautifully played cock block Micah, By the way, I love the latest issue, I must grudgingly admit that your kill cap game is an excellent idea! Lot a good potential there...seriously I'm not being sarcastic. And I wish you the very best of luck with sales hypocrite! ~Harrison
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:47 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:

+1000
On 09/22/11, Micah White<micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: I'd like to propose the following, and would appreciate it if someone could take this to the GA meeting. Proposal: "We believe that corporate money should not be allowed to influence democracy. Therefore, the General Assembly will not accept donations, financial or otherwise, from corporations. Furthermore, we will not allow corporate advertising to be placed on websites affiliated with our occupation. We will resist efforts by corporations to co-opt our movement towards real democracy in America."
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] proposal: No Corporate Donations / No Advertising Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:45:22 PM
Folks, all ideology aside. You need millions of hits on a video make any money on this. You would make more $ collecting it in a hat On Thursday, September 22, 2011, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: > On the one hand, it's fun to take money from corporations and use it against them. On the other hand, there starts to be a thing called "mission creep," in which our operational funding was dependent on keeping cordial relationships with folks who are actively doing evil and who we're actively working to destroy/radically change. > A quandry indeed. This will be a long GA discussion. > Solidarity, > Jon > > > > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> So I suppose this means I should stop pursuing the Chase sponsorship? >> >> In all seriousness, I'd mildly oppose this in its current form; I >> don't think it would be the worst idea to have the youtube ads on our >> videos up on that website; help make the occupation a bit more >> self-sufficient. We shouldn't have paid ads on occupywallst.org or >> such similar websites either, even for >> Bob's-Super-Independent-Organic-Vegan-Non-Imperialist Foot Powder; >> that's just not the greatest organizational website design, generally. >> >> --glj >> >> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> > I'd like to propose the following, and would appreciate it if someone could >> > take this to the GA meeting. >> > >> > Proposal: "We believe that corporate money should not be allowed to >> > influence democracy. Therefore, the General Assembly will not accept >> > donations, financial or otherwise, from corporations. Furthermore, we will >> > not allow corporate advertising to be placed on websites affiliated with our >> > occupation. We will resist efforts by corporations to co-opt our movement >> > towards real democracy in America." >> > > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] proposal: Open Letter to America Thursday, September 22, 2011 12:56:38 PM
If in the papers nationally, this would be the total master tool to bring people in from around the country to NYC-- the traffic alone would be an #occupywallstreet action On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:48 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I would like to request that in this day and age with so many people with information on their phones, that someone who is in the GA read this to the group and ask them to consider it for review. We have enough attention and support that we could likely get this into every major paper in the world tomorrow.
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: I like it a lot too, and hope the GA can come out with something similar. On Sep 22, 2011, at 12:37 PM, Marisa Holmes wrote: > Micah, > This is a wonderful draft. > However, the the general assembly is going thru this very process > of drafting a statement. > It should be ready this afternoon. > > Marisa > > On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I have a proposal: maybe it would help if we drafted an open letter to the >> American People. >> >> I wrote a rough draft. What do you think? If this is something that you'd >> like to see the GA agree on, please say so. >> >> Micah >> >> >> >> A MESSAGE TO AMERICA FROM THE PEOPLE'S ASSEMBLY IN ZUCOTTI PARK >> >> Dear fellow Americans, >> >> We are assembled in Zucotti Park - which we've renamed Liberty Plaza - in >> the financial district of New York, because we believe that the American >> economy is heading in the wrong direction and we have a few ideas for
what >> to do about it. >> >> There is a feeling shared by a growing number of people on the streets of >> the world that the global economy has become a kind of Ponzi scheme, a >> global casino, run by and for the benefit of the 1%. >> >> We believe that it is possible to inject justice into the global economy. We >> have come up with the following list of things that can be done right now to >> rejuvenate democracy and economic justice in our country: >> >> Halt foreclosures for the unemployed, sick and elderly >> >> Increase funding to public services by taxing the richest 1% >> >> Forgive all student loan debt >> >> Reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act in order to control speculation >> >> Work with the other G20 nations to implement a 1% "Robin Hood" tax on all >> financial transactions and currency trades >> >> Ban high-frequency 'flash' trading and bring sanity to the markets >> >> Break up the "too big to fail" banks that threaten our future >> >> Arrest the financial fraudsters responsible for the 2008 meltdown and >> bring them to justice >> >> Ordain a Presidential Commission tasked with ending the influence >> corporate money has on our elected representatives in Washington >> >> If you agree with any of these demands, then join us! >> >> We will stay here in our encampment in Liberty Plaza until President Obama >> responds to each of these demands. >> >> This is just the beginning, there is more to come as we work together to >> reshape America. >> >> --- The People's Assembly of New York City >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Alexa D. O"Brien september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposals on what to do with all the donated money... Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:10:14 AM
hah! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:10 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: > ranked from my least favorite to my most favorite... > > - make a donation to october 2011 d.c. occupation > > - buy a billboard advertisement to get our message across to the people of > new york while corporate media ignores us > > - throw $10,000 in small bills onto wall and broad in small bills and enjoy > the ensuing chaos > > - buy vegan food for the occupation > > - end the occupation with a ceremonial bonfire. burn it all >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Yoni Golijov september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposals on what to do with all the donated money... Saturday, September 24, 2011 6:25:03 PM
I agree with Zoe! --- In terms of the coming Winter, even if we cant set up tents we can look into getting very very warm sleeping bags, they make em for climbing mt everest im sure we could get something a little less extreme and hopefully cheap enough for many many, also not spending it all at once, since we will need it for months On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Matthew Bralow <mbralow@gmail.com> wrote: would be good when we have enough $. or there could be a specific fund created that people can donate to bailouts specifically. bail $ would deplete our current funds... tons of arrests today in union sq. which raises question.. which people would get $ and which wouldn't. not realistic in my opinion. we need critical infrastructure, outreach and logistics, and... if we don't currently have enough... food/water donation funds in my opinion On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:26 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the bail money fund very much, should definately happen. Maybe called > the "freedom fund"? > > On Sep 24, 2011 1:02 AM, "lucy u. valkury" <astropatheticus@gmail.com> > wrote: >> How about pay to bus people farther away to come here, save some for bail >> money just in case, and/or pay off the cops so they'll leave us be? >> >> -Lucy >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:10 PM, jason ahmadi >> <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> ranked from my least favorite to my most favorite... >>> >>> - make a donation to october 2011 d.c. occupation >>> >>> - buy a billboard advertisement to get our message across to the people >>> of >>> new york while corporate media ignores us >>> >>> - throw $10,000 in small bills onto wall and broad in small bills and >>> enjoy the ensuing chaos >>> >>> - buy vegan food for the occupation >>> >>> - end the occupation with a ceremonial bonfire. burn it all >>> >
-yOni
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of lucy u. valkury september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposals on what to do with all the donated money... Saturday, September 24, 2011 1:02:53 AM
How about pay to bus people farther away to come here, save some for bail money just in case, and/or pay off the cops so they'll leave us be? -Lucy On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:10 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: ranked from my least favorite to my most favorite... - make a donation to october 2011 d.c. occupation - buy a billboard advertisement to get our message across to the people of new york while corporate media ignores us - throw $10,000 in small bills onto wall and broad in small bills and enjoy the ensuing chaos - buy vegan food for the occupation - end the occupation with a ceremonial bonfire. burn it all
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposals on what to do with all the donated money... Saturday, September 24, 2011 9:30:42 AM
Love that as well... maybe connect with current tv to see if they will run the winning video as well. On Sep 24, 2011 9:28 AM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > I propose we revisit the idea of holding a twitter/video contest where people can submit videos on the #iwilloccupy hashtag about why they will occupy, to win a round-trip bus ticket here. > > -j > > On Sep 24, 2011, at 1:02 AM, lucy u. valkury wrote: > >> How about pay to bus people farther away to come here, save some for bail money just in case, and/or pay off the cops so they'll leave us be? >> >> -Lucy >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:10 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: >> ranked from my least favorite to my most favorite... >> >> - make a donation to october 2011 d.c. occupation >> >> - buy a billboard advertisement to get our message across to the people of new york while corporate media ignores us >> >> - throw $10,000 in small bills onto wall and broad in small bills and enjoy the ensuing chaos >> >> - buy vegan food for the occupation >> >> - end the occupation with a ceremonial bonfire. burn it all >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposals on what to do with all the donated money... Saturday, September 24, 2011 9:29:00 AM
I propose we revisit the idea of holding a twitter/video contest where people can submit videos on the #iwilloccupy hashtag about why they will occupy, to win a round-trip bus ticket here. -j On Sep 24, 2011, at 1:02 AM, lucy u. valkury wrote: How about pay to bus people farther away to come here, save some for bail money just in case, and/or pay off the cops so they'll leave us be? -Lucy On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:10 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: ranked from my least favorite to my most favorite... - make a donation to october 2011 d.c. occupation - buy a billboard advertisement to get our message across to the people of new york while corporate media ignores us - throw $10,000 in small bills onto wall and broad in small bills and enjoy the ensuing chaos - buy vegan food for the occupation - end the occupation with a ceremonial bonfire. burn it all
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposals on what to do with all the donated money... Saturday, September 24, 2011 9:26:39 AM
I like the bail money fund very much, should definately happen. Maybe called the "freedom fund"? On Sep 24, 2011 1:02 AM, "lucy u. valkury" <astropatheticus@gmail.com> wrote: > How about pay to bus people farther away to come here, save some for bail > money just in case, and/or pay off the cops so they'll leave us be? > > -Lucy > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:10 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com>wrote: > >> ranked from my least favorite to my most favorite... >> >> - make a donation to october 2011 d.c. occupation >> >> - buy a billboard advertisement to get our message across to the people of >> new york while corporate media ignores us >> >> - throw $10,000 in small bills onto wall and broad in small bills and >> enjoy the ensuing chaos >> >> - buy vegan food for the occupation >> >> - end the occupation with a ceremonial bonfire. burn it all >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Snafu september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposals on what to do with all the donated money... Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:02:53 AM
adding my two cents: using some funds to print out a poster or mail with the open letter to the people of the United States (see thread that goes by the same title). On 9/24/11 9:30 AM, grimwomyn wrote: Love that as well... maybe connect with current tv to see if they will run the winning video as well. On Sep 24, 2011 9:28 AM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > I propose we revisit the idea of holding a twitter/video contest where people can submit videos on the #iwilloccupy hashtag about why they will occupy, to win a round-trip bus ticket here. > > -j > > On Sep 24, 2011, at 1:02 AM, lucy u. valkury wrote: > >> How about pay to bus people farther away to come here, save some for bail money just in case, and/or pay off the cops so they'll leave us be? >> >> -Lucy >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:10 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: >> ranked from my least favorite to my most favorite... >> >> - make a donation to october 2011 d.c. occupation >> >> - buy a billboard advertisement to get our message across to the people of new york while corporate media ignores us >> >> - throw $10,000 in small bills onto wall and broad in small bills and enjoy the ensuing chaos >> >> - buy vegan food for the occupation >> >> - end the occupation with a ceremonial bonfire. burn it all >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jon Good september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposals on what to do with all the donated money... Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:27:12 PM
I really don't like the "win a trip to NYC for tweeting" thing. It rubs me the wrong way somehow, maybe because it puts our allies in competition with each other for a resource that we have decided to make scarce. If I'm alone in this feeling, then forget about it and it's not a big deal. Solidarity, Jon Good On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Zo Faux <zoe@occupywallst.org> wrote: 1. Food We have people, and we have a kitchen; we should use some funds to source produce from supportive local farmers and urban agriculture initiatives, and cook not only enough food to feed ourselves, but to share (I'm thinking something along the lines of "a free lunch" for the 99%, $100 a plate for the 1%). Let's create an alternative economy in the belly of the beast, and demonstrate that a bunch of "hippie anarchists" can feed people better than all the wizards of Wall St. *And, if we're serious about making this occupation long term, we should be thinking about mobilizing guerilla gardening -- turning the financial district into a food forest. 2. Shelter It's going to get colder, and it's absolutely vital that campers are protected from the elements. We need shelter, especially shelter suited for a long-term occupation. Parallel to that, we need legal folks pushing hard for our right to encamp (if anyone who's reading this is on top of this, please contact me, as I have something of a legal background and would like to be involved). 3. Information We need to ensure that information can flow freely in and out of Liberty Square. Folks need power, batteries, phones, robust networks, and probably a bunch of stuff I'm not techy enough to think of. Beyond that, we should also be thinking hard about: * running the livestream through something that doesn't have fucking commercials. * hosting our websites outside the US, preferably in countries with laws protecting internet freedom. * setting up communications between the growing number of occupations happening nationally and internationally.
* finding ways to build information leverage beyond social media (for example, creating a corporate-focused leaks site). 4. Art I can't even begin to imagine the amazing thing our arts folks could do with a little solid funding 5. General We should set aside some money for miscellaneous unanticipated projects. 5. Emergency We should set aside some funds for miscellaneous unanticipated emergencies (bail money, medical fees, etc.)
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposals on what to do with all the donated money... Saturday, September 24, 2011 12:55:36 PM
Agreed now that I hear your points. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 24, 2011, at 12:52 PM, Justine <justine@occupywallst.org> wrote: I agree. Taking care of the basic human needs on the ground for the many must come first , before contests and bail money. On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Jon Good <therealjongood@gmail.com> wrote: I really don't like the "win a trip to NYC for tweeting" thing. It rubs me the wrong way somehow, maybe because it puts our allies in competition with each other for a resource that we have decided to make scarce. If I'm alone in this feeling, then forget about it and it's not a big deal. Solidarity, Jon Good On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Zo Faux <zoe@occupywallst.org> wrote: 1. Food We have people, and we have a kitchen; we should use some funds to source produce from supportive local farmers and urban agriculture initiatives, and cook not only enough food to feed ourselves, but to share (I'm thinking something along the lines of "a free lunch" for the 99%, $100 a plate for the 1%). Let's create an alternative economy in the belly of the beast, and demonstrate that a bunch of "hippie anarchists" can feed people better than all the wizards of Wall St. *And, if we're serious about making this occupation long term, we should be thinking about mobilizing guerilla gardening -- turning the financial district into a food forest.
2. Shelter It's going to get colder, and it's absolutely vital that campers are protected from the elements. We need shelter, especially shelter suited for a long-term occupation. Parallel to that, we need legal folks pushing hard for our right to encamp (if anyone who's reading this is on top of this, please contact me, as I have something of a legal background and would like to be involved). 3. Information We need to ensure that information can flow freely in and out of Liberty Square. Folks need power, batteries, phones, robust networks, and probably a bunch of stuff I'm not techy enough to think of. Beyond that, we should also be thinking hard about: * running the livestream through something that doesn't have fucking commercials. * hosting our websites outside the US, preferably in countries with laws protecting internet freedom. * setting up communications between the growing number of occupations happening nationally and internationally. * finding ways to build information leverage beyond social media (for example, creating a corporate-focused leaks site). 4. Art I can't even begin to imagine the amazing thing our arts folks could do with a little solid funding 5. General We should set aside some money for miscellaneous unanticipated projects. 5. Emergency We should set aside some funds for miscellaneous unanticipated emergencies (bail money, medical fees, etc.)
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposals on what to do with all the donated money... Saturday, September 24, 2011 3:47:12 PM
would be good when we have enough $. or there could be a specific fund created that people can donate to bailouts specifically. bail $ would deplete our current funds... tons of arrests today in union sq. which raises question.. which people would get $ and which wouldn't. not realistic in my opinion. we need critical infrastructure, outreach and logistics, and... if we don't currently have enough... food/water donation funds in my opinion On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:26 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > I like the bail money fund very much, should definately happen. Maybe called > the "freedom fund"? > > On Sep 24, 2011 1:02 AM, "lucy u. valkury" <astropatheticus@gmail.com> > wrote: >> How about pay to bus people farther away to come here, save some for bail >> money just in case, and/or pay off the cops so they'll leave us be? >> >> -Lucy >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:10 PM, jason ahmadi >> <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> ranked from my least favorite to my most favorite... >>> >>> - make a donation to october 2011 d.c. occupation >>> >>> - buy a billboard advertisement to get our message across to the people >>> of >>> new york while corporate media ignores us >>> >>> - throw $10,000 in small bills onto wall and broad in small bills and >>> enjoy the ensuing chaos >>> >>> - buy vegan food for the occupation >>> >>> - end the occupation with a ceremonial bonfire. burn it all >>> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justine september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Proposals on what to do with all the donated money... Friday, September 23, 2011 7:13:19 PM
Are some of these meant to be humorous? Also I completely agree on the vegan food and many of us have been working very hard to make that a reality. Ideally I would like to see us serve 100% vegan food, unless it's freegan. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 7:10 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: ranked from my least favorite to my most favorite... - make a donation to october 2011 d.c. occupation - buy a billboard advertisement to get our message across to the people of new york while corporate media ignores us - throw $10,000 in small bills onto wall and broad in small bills and enjoy the ensuing chaos - buy vegan food for the occupation - end the occupation with a ceremonial bonfire. burn it all
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Question Sunday, September 18, 2011 3:44:06 PM
I second labor support, mobilization and outreach to workers. Especially those threatened by layoffs in DC 37 and ATU. -K On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: We'll see about that tonight.... Btw - acampada sol had 20 people first night. When arrests were made, thousands were in the street the next day. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 18, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: If that happens, they'll all be arrested and we won't need the tents or grills. There is nowhere near the number of people needed to defend the space. Sent from my phone On Sep 18, 2011 2:50 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > With all due respect, Doug, you are forgetting the sizeable number of people > who are willing to face arrest to keep this space. > > If the police try to take this space, we will be on the front page of 100 > newspapers tomorrow. I promise you. > > -justin > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We probably will have to move tonight since I don't think the cops will let
>> us be here Monday morning when Wall St opens for business, so we should >> think about bringing tents and grills knowing we'll probably on the street >> tonight where we can't use tents and probably grills. >> On Sep 18, 2011 2:19 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> > We have nearly 6k in donations. We need small groups to go pick up food, >> and good food that we can cook. Let's get grills here to cook hot food. >> > >> > We need childcare, and to set up a child care center. >> > >> > We need someone to get ahold if lupe's team to get tents and sound system >> here (why are no tents up right now? This is private property, those rules >> don't apply.) >> > >> > And we need outreach support to unions. Dc37, seiu, UFT, etc >> > >> > Justin Wedes >> > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> > >> > Use your voice! >> > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >> > >> > ~ >> > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at >> USUncut.org/yeslab >> > ~ >> > >> > On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> I'm cooking some lunch for the folks down there and going to work on >> getting solid communications up. >> >> >> >> -Drew >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud < >> morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >> Yes, I totally second what Doug said: we need more people willing to >> stay for the night and also to come and support during the day. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote: >> >> >> >>> Once the needs are published somewhere, please share it
here and I'll >> get it on as many blogs & networks as I can. Standing by! >> >>> >> >>> Ashley Anderson >> >>> 801-652-2971 >> >>> sent from my 'phone >> >>> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2011 11:29 AM, "Doug Singsen" <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were >> around >> >>> > 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for >> the >> >>> > day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who >> were >> >>> > there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during >> the >> >>> > daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were >> out-of-towners, >> >>> > and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home >> today or >> >>> > Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may >> quickly fall >> >>> > too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second >> wave of >> >>> > occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by >> sending >> >>> > out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list. >> >>> > >> >>> > Doug S >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> >> Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White < >> micahmwhite@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> Hey everyone,
>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation >> going? >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a >> >>> >>> committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the >> situation? If >> >>> >>> so, please forward their contact information to me. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Thank you, >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Micah >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Doug Singsen september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Question Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:29:27 PM
The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were around 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for the day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who were there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during the daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were out-of-towners, and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home today or Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may quickly fall too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second wave of occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by sending out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list. Doug S On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation going? It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the situation? If so, please forward their contact information to me. Thank you, Micah
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Question Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:01:45 PM
Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: Hey everyone, What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation going? It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the situation? If so, please forward their contact information to me. Thank you, Micah
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ashley Anderson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Question Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:46:49 PM
With all the people who are waiting to see what happens, with all the emotion invested all over the world, and how this fits into a longer story of an inevitable uprising, this situation in the park is a giant pile of kindling. Any arrests would be a spark. And if you carefully blow on a spark the whole thing will go. Despite soggy blankets. Ashley Anderson
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: A mass occupation doesn't break out every time 20 activists get arrested. That was a one in a million occurrence. Don't count on that happening here. Sent from my phone On Sep 18, 2011 3:22 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Question Monday, September 19, 2011 8:28:57 AM
I strongly agree support the idea of childcare and would be willing to contribute to that endavour. I'll only be at the occupation in the evenings during the week, though. Matt On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Ashley Anderson <ashley@peacefuluprising.org> wrote:
With all the people who are waiting to see what happens, with all the emotion invested all over the world, and how this fits into a longer story of an inevitable uprising, this situation in the park is a giant pile of kindling. Any arrests would be a spark. And if you carefully blow on a spark the whole thing will go. Despite soggy blankets. Ashley Anderson
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: A mass occupation doesn't break out every time 20 activists get arrested. That was a one in a million occurrence. Don't count on that happening here. Sent from my phone On Sep 18, 2011 3:22 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Question Sunday, September 18, 2011 3:22:05 PM
We'll see about that tonight.... Btw - acampada sol had 20 people first night. When arrests were made, thousands were in the street the next day. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 18, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: If that happens, they'll all be arrested and we won't need the tents or grills. There is nowhere near the number of people needed to defend the space. Sent from my phone On Sep 18, 2011 2:50 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > With all due respect, Doug, you are forgetting the sizeable number of people > who are willing to face arrest to keep this space. > > If the police try to take this space, we will be on the front page of 100 > newspapers tomorrow. I promise you. > > -justin > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We probably will have to move tonight since I don't think the cops will let >> us be here Monday morning when Wall St opens for business, so we should >> think about bringing tents and grills knowing we'll probably on the street >> tonight where we can't use tents and probably grills. >> On Sep 18, 2011 2:19 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> > We have nearly 6k in donations. We need small groups to go pick
up food, >> and good food that we can cook. Let's get grills here to cook hot food. >> > >> > We need childcare, and to set up a child care center. >> > >> > We need someone to get ahold if lupe's team to get tents and sound system >> here (why are no tents up right now? This is private property, those rules >> don't apply.) >> > >> > And we need outreach support to unions. Dc37, seiu, UFT, etc >> > >> > Justin Wedes >> > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> > >> > Use your voice! >> > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >> > >> > ~ >> > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at >> USUncut.org/yeslab >> > ~ >> > >> > On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> >> I'm cooking some lunch for the folks down there and going to work on >> getting solid communications up. >> >> >> >> -Drew >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud < >> morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >> Yes, I totally second what Doug said: we need more people willing to >> stay for the night and also to come and support during the day. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote: >> >> >> >>> Once the needs are published somewhere, please share it here and I'll >> get it on as many blogs & networks as I can. Standing by! >> >>> >> >>> Ashley Anderson >> >>> 801-652-2971 >> >>> sent from my 'phone >> >>> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2011 11:29 AM, "Doug Singsen"
<dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were >> around >> >>> > 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for >> the >> >>> > day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who >> were >> >>> > there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during >> the >> >>> > daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were >> out-of-towners, >> >>> > and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home >> today or >> >>> > Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may >> quickly fall >> >>> > too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second >> wave of >> >>> > occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by >> sending >> >>> > out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list. >> >>> > >> >>> > Doug S >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> >> Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White < >> micahmwhite@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >>> Hey everyone, >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation >> going? >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a >> >>> >>> committee/person tasked with sending regular updates
about the >> situation? If >> >>> >>> so, please forward their contact information to me. >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Thank you, >> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> Micah >> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>
If that happens, they'll all be arrested and we won't need the tents or grills. There is nowhere near the number of people needed to defend the space. Sent from my phone On Sep 18, 2011 2:50 PM, "J Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > With all due respect, Doug, you are forgetting the sizeable number of people > who are willing to face arrest to keep this space. > > If the police try to take this space, we will be on the front page of 100 > newspapers tomorrow. I promise you. > > -justin > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > >> We probably will have to move tonight since I don't think the cops will let >> us be here Monday morning when Wall St opens for business, so we should >> think about bringing tents and grills knowing we'll probably on the street >> tonight where we can't use tents and probably grills. >> On Sep 18, 2011 2:19 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> > We have nearly 6k in donations. We need small groups to go pick up food, >> and good food that we can cook. Let's get grills here to cook hot food. >> > >> > We need childcare, and to set up a child care center. >> > >> > We need someone to get ahold if lupe's team to get tents and sound system >> here (why are no tents up right now? This is private property, those rules >> don't apply.) >> > >> > And we need outreach support to unions. Dc37, seiu, UFT, etc >> > >> > Justin Wedes >> > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn >> > >> > Use your voice! >> > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org >> > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler >> > >> > ~ >> > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at >> USUncut.org/yeslab >> > ~ >> > >> > On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> I'm cooking some lunch for the folks down there and going to work on >> getting solid communications up. >> >> >> >> -Drew >> >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud < >> morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> >> Yes, I totally second what Doug said: we need more people willing to >> stay for the night and also to come and support during the day. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote: >> >> >> >>> Once the needs are published somewhere, please share it here and I'll >> get it on as many blogs & networks as I can. Standing by! >> >>> >> >>> Ashley Anderson >> >>> 801-652-2971 >> >>> sent from my 'phone >> >>> >> >>> On Sep 18, 2011 11:29 AM, "Doug Singsen" <dougsingsen@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were >> around >> >>> > 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for >> the >> >>> > day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who >> were >> >>> > there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during >> the >> >>> > daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were >> out-of-towners, >> >>> > and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home >> today or >> >>> > Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may >> quickly fall >> >>> > too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second >> wave of >> >>> > occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by >> sending >> >>> > out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list. >> >>> > >> >>> > Doug S >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> > >> >>> >> Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time >> >>> >> >> >>> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
>>> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White < micahmwhite@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> >>> >>> What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation going? >>> >>> >>> >>> It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a >>> >>> committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the situation? If >>> >>> so, please forward their contact information to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >>> Micah >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of J Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Question Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:50:38 PM
With all due respect, Doug, you are forgetting the sizeable number of people who are willing to face arrest to keep this space. If the police try to take this space, we will be on the front page of 100 newspapers tomorrow. I promise you. -justin On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Doug Singsen <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: We probably will have to move tonight since I don't think the cops will let us be here Monday morning when Wall St opens for business, so we should think about bringing tents and grills knowing we'll probably on the street tonight where we can't use tents and probably grills. On Sep 18, 2011 2:19 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > We have nearly 6k in donations. We need small groups to go pick up food, and good food that we can cook. Let's get grills here to cook hot food. > > We need childcare, and to set up a child care center. > > We need someone to get ahold if lupe's team to get tents and sound system here (why are no tents up right now? This is private property, those rules don't apply.) > > And we need outreach support to unions. Dc37, seiu, UFT, etc > > Justin Wedes > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > Use your voice! > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab >~ > > On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm cooking some lunch for the folks down there and going to work on getting solid communications up. >> >> -Drew >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> Yes, I totally second what Doug said: we need more people willing to stay for
the night and also to come and support during the day. >> >> >> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote: >> >>> Once the needs are published somewhere, please share it here and I'll get it on as many blogs & networks as I can. Standing by! >>> >>> Ashley Anderson >>> 801-652-2971 >>> sent from my 'phone >>> >>> On Sep 18, 2011 11:29 AM, "Doug Singsen" <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were around >>> > 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for the >>> > day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who were >>> > there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during the >>> > daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were out-of-towners, >>> > and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home today or >>> > Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may quickly fall >>> > too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second wave of >>> > occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by sending >>> > out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list. >>> > >>> > Doug S >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> >>> >>> What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation going? >>> >>> >>> >>> It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a >>> >>> committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the situation? If >>> >>> so, please forward their contact information to me. >>> >>>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>
>>> Thank you, >>> >>> Micah >>> >> >>
We probably will have to move tonight since I don't think the cops will let us be here Monday morning when Wall St opens for business, so we should think about bringing tents and grills knowing we'll probably on the street tonight where we can't use tents and probably grills. On Sep 18, 2011 2:19 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > We have nearly 6k in donations. We need small groups to go pick up food, and good food that we can cook. Let's get grills here to cook hot food. > > We need childcare, and to set up a child care center. > > We need someone to get ahold if lupe's team to get tents and sound system here (why are no tents up right now? This is private property, those rules don't apply.) > > And we need outreach support to unions. Dc37, seiu, UFT, etc > > Justin Wedes > Activist & Educator, Brooklyn > > Use your voice! > Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org > Twitter: NYCPubSchooler > >~ > There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab >~ > > On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I'm cooking some lunch for the folks down there and going to work on getting solid communications up. >> >> -Drew >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: >> Yes, I totally second what Doug said: we need more people willing to stay for the night and also to come and support during the day. >> >> >> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote: >> >>> Once the needs are published somewhere, please share it here and I'll get it on as many blogs & networks as I can. Standing by! >>> >>> Ashley Anderson >>> 801-652-2971
>>> sent from my 'phone >>> >>> On Sep 18, 2011 11:29 AM, "Doug Singsen" <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were around >>> > 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for the >>> > day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who were >>> > there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during the >>> > daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were out-of-towners, >>> > and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home today or >>> > Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may quickly fall >>> > too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second wave of >>> > occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by sending >>> > out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list. >>> > >>> > Doug S >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> >> Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> >>> >>> What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation going? >>> >>> >>> >>> It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a >>> >>> committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the situation? If >>> >>> so, please forward their contact information to me. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >>> Micah >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Question Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:19:42 PM
We have nearly 6k in donations. We need small groups to go pick up food, and good food that we can cook. Let's get grills here to cook hot food. We need childcare, and to set up a child care center. We need someone to get ahold if lupe's team to get tents and sound system here (why are no tents up right now? This is private property, those rules don't apply.) And we need outreach support to unions. Dc37, seiu, UFT, etc Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: I'm cooking some lunch for the folks down there and going to work on getting solid communications up. -Drew On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: Yes, I totally second what Doug said: we need more people willing to stay for the night and also to come and support during the day. On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote: Once the needs are published somewhere, please share it here and I'll get it on as many blogs & networks as I can. Standing by! Ashley Anderson 801-652-2971 sent from my 'phone On Sep 18, 2011 11:29 AM, "Doug Singsen" <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote:
> The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were around > 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for the > day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who were > there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during the > daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were out-of-towners, > and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home today or > Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may quickly fall > too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second wave of > occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by sending > out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list. > > Doug S > > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation going? >>> >>> It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a >>> committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the situation? If >>> so, please forward their contact information to me. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Micah >>> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Question Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:14:02 PM
I'm cooking some lunch for the folks down there and going to work on getting solid communications up. -Drew On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote: Yes, I totally second what Doug said: we need more people willing to stay for the night and also to come and support during the day. On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote: Once the needs are published somewhere, please share it here and I'll get it on as many blogs & networks as I can. Standing by! Ashley Anderson 801-652-2971 sent from my 'phone On Sep 18, 2011 11:29 AM, "Doug Singsen" <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were around > 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for the > day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who were > there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during the > daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were out-oftowners, > and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home today or > Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may quickly fall > too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second wave of > occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by sending > out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list. > > Doug S > > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation going? >>> >>> It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a >>> committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the situation? If >>> so, please forward their contact information to me. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Micah >>> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Question Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:07:54 PM
Yes, I totally second what Doug said: we need more people willing to stay for the night and also to come and support during the day. On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ashley Anderson wrote: Once the needs are published somewhere, please share it here and I'll get it on as many blogs & networks as I can. Standing by! Ashley Anderson 801-652-2971 sent from my 'phone On Sep 18, 2011 11:29 AM, "Doug Singsen" <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were around > 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for the > day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who were > there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during the > daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were out-oftowners, > and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home today or > Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may quickly fall > too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second wave of > occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by sending > out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list. > > Doug S > > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>wrote: >>
>>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation going? >>> >>> It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a >>> committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the situation? If >>> so, please forward their contact information to me. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Micah >>> >> >>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ashley Anderson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Question Sunday, September 18, 2011 1:49:00 PM
Once the needs are published somewhere, please share it here and I'll get it on as many blogs & networks as I can. Standing by! Ashley Anderson 801-652-2971 sent from my 'phone On Sep 18, 2011 11:29 AM, "Doug Singsen" <dougsingsen@gmail.com> wrote: > The number one thing we need is more people. I think there were around > 500-700 people in the GA yesterday, which was the peak attendance for the > day, but only 200 or so slept over, since most of the New Yorkers who were > there went home for the night (but are now coming back again during the > daytime). Most of the people who actually slept over were out-of-towners, > and many of the out-of-towners I talked to were either going home today or > Monday. If that happens, the number of people sleeping out may quickly fall > too low to keep the occupation going. We will probably need a second wave of > occupiers to continue beyond that. Adbusters could help with this by sending > out a call for reinforcements to its mailing list. > > Doug S > > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 1:01 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Child care would help me continue to work on the effort full time >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Micah White <micahmwhite@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> What are the top three things that you need to keep the occupation going? >>> >>> It is very difficult to know what is going on in NYC, is there a >>> committee/person tasked with sending regular updates about the situation? If >>> so, please forward their contact information to me. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Micah >>> >> >>
A mass occupation doesn't break out every time 20 activists get arrested. That was a one in a million occurrence. Don't count on that happening here. Sent from my phone On Sep 18, 2011 3:22 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: #OccupyWallStreet stays alive by becoming #WeAreThe99% Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:02:02 PM
At the last GA before we occupied Wall St, I put foward the statement "We are against the massive concentration of wealth and power on the planet" as what I hoped would be a unifying message. Everyone there seemed to like it, but it was blocked by those that wanted to wait until the action to formulate a message (not necessarily a bad idea) but now that the action is 4 days old I'm wondering if everyone could get behind that kind of statement.
On 09/20/11, Cesar<wintersiroco@gmail.com> wrote: I do not think hashtagg/name is mayor reachout problem, Although it could improve. Short Definition of motive would help a Lot. Check out STop the macine Oct6. Include citizens and non-citizens in Short statement. It will define movement in more human framework and promote broadest allience. Reach out to unions, and grasroots without message is difficult. Yes, along the lines of freedom fro Wall street and their representatives in Washington.
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On Sep 19, 2011, at 11:47 PM, Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> wrote:
Dear friends, It looks like #OccupyWallStreet is in urgent need of a massive and targeted outreach operation to stay alive. The key to the success of the movement is to be inclusive. Right now the movement is too homogeneous, due to the "activist" imaginary and language identified with it (example: the word "occupy", the images of stereotypical activists used by Adbusters, etc). If we really want to start a massive movement like the ones in Egypt, Iceland, Spain, Greece, etc, we should change those referents. If we don't act quickly the movement will vanish, and it would have been just another activist movement. I propose that we start today a fast and massive outreach campaign with this idea: #WeAreThe99%. This is the plan: we put all our energy and resources in outreaching for the #WeAreThe99% Day which will happen next Saturday 23rd, at our space in Zucotti/Liberty Park. We propose tomorrow at the assembly: everyone form groups and march right now to different spots in the city (squares,
neighborhoods, universities, labor unions) with signs, fliers, and a clear message: "Political parties govern in the name of the 1% that control almost all financial wealth. We are the 99%." "We have taken a space at the heart of Wall Street to start changing this situation. Join us at Zucotti/Liberty Park on Saturday September 23rd for the We Are The 99% Day. Stay with us." What do you think? We have a lot of attention in the internet and even mainstream media, let's use it now before it's gone! Let's create a really inclusive and massive movement, let's go beyond traditional identities, let's become a real multitude!
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Luis Moreno-Caballud september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: #TroyDavis and #OccupyWallStreet Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:12:47 AM
Yes! Many people are feeling right now the OUTRAGE that leads to action, we want to tell them that #OccupyWallStreet is a peaceful space for everyone, is an open forum for everyone affected by the brutality of the elites in power We should all go to Union Square today at 5pm with our We are the 99% and Occupy Wall Street signs! On Sep 22, 2011, at 1:34 AM, Lauren wrote: > I think this could be a great idea. The Troy Davis judicial murder is > one of the issues that seems to have got occupy Atlanta together and I > think it fits rather well with the idea of opposing hierarchical > tyranny. > > On Sep 22, 1:32 am, pirijod <piri...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi everyone! >> >> There are people organizing an Outreach Day for #TroyDavis in Union Square >> at 5pm. The call is really spreading out in Twitter. Don't you think we >> should go there and try to take the people to #OccupyWallStreet? I think we >> should bond #TroyDavis and #OccupyWallStreet in Twitter as much as we can. >> >> ruso.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of M C september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:58:39 PM
Dear Lauren. this is such a great idea! I have a 2y.o. whom I was going to bring over tomorrow morning. Let's do it! my number is 347 712 5044 Maria
From: Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: [september17discuss] Re: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers
I know some people have said it would be divisive, but we really really need the kind of numbers. We also should appeal to the unemployed, although I know it's already been said a number of tiems though. Oh, and what would people think of trying to have a volunteer childcare sort of thing running? I'm always sort of torn on children at protests, but I know a lot of families have the issue that, well, the kids really do come first.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Joshua van Praag september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] RE: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:24:09 PM
I couldnt agree more with Jackie -- labor's involvement is key and as she points out there are so many locals in the NY area right now that are waging their own disparate, isolated struggles against the machine that is slowly crushing them. Workers' involvement in this action would have a hugely transformative effect.
Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Conor <cocoreed@gmail.com> wrote: + 1,000,000 to Jackie's proposal on working people / union struggles outreach and solidarity. Also, why not invite people to protest Troy Davis's execution date at Liberty Plaza this Monday? -Conor
On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:43 PM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: We need more outreach to workers. The best way to do that is by showing solidarity with them. We can start by passing resolutions announcing our support for Hotel Trades Council workers on strike at the Central Park Boathouse restaurant and the struggles of NYC Local 1199, SEIU (Social Service Employees Union) at Brookdale Hospital and Long Island Hospital in Brooklyn, also those facing layoffs including school aides, Local 372, DC (District Council) 37, AFSCME (American Federation State, County and Municipal Employees) and school bus drivers from the NYC ATU (Amalgamated Transit Union); of the CWA (Communication Workers of America) against demands for concessions at Verizon, of the struggle of Local 100 TWU (Transit Workers Union), to amend the NY anti-strike Taylor Law and of the UFT (United Federation of Teachers) to extend the Millionaire's Tax and the NNU (National Nurses United) to get a financial transactions tax.
-----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Schneider Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a few hours! http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreetbegins-and-improvises/ Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] RE: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:59:31 PM
Anyone interested in forming a Union outreach work group? How? When? Ill be coming to the park soon. Jackie
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Conor Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:17 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Cc: <september17@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [september17discuss] RE: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers
+ 1,000,000 to Jackie's proposal on working people / union struggles outreach and solidarity. Also, why not invite people to protest Troy Davis's execution date at Liberty Plaza this Monday? -Conor
On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:43 PM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: We need more outreach to workers. The best way to do that is by showing solidarity with them. We can start by passing resolutions announcing our support for Hotel Trades Council workers on strike at the Central Park Boathouse restaurant and the struggles of NYC Local 1199, SEIU (Social Service Employees Union) at Brookdale Hospital and Long Island Hospital in Brooklyn, also those facing layoffs including school aides, Local 372, DC (District Council) 37, AFSCME (American Federation State, County and Municipal Employees) and school bus drivers from the NYC ATU (Amalgamated Transit Union); of the CWA (Communication Workers of America) against demands for concessions at Verizon, of the struggle of Local 100 TWU (Transit Workers Union), to amend the NY anti-strike Taylor Law and of the UFT (United Federation of Teachers) to extend the Millionaire's Tax and the NNU (National Nurses United) to get a financial transactions tax. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Schneider Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com
Subject: [september17discuss] WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a few hours! http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-begins-andimprovises/ Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:42:35 PM
My kid is here with me... we brought boardgames I'm answering the phone and hanging out... its that simple until the situation gets more complicated. On Sep 18, 2011 5:39 PM, "Lauren" <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] RE: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:56:37 PM
Ill bet theyd be willing to come address the General Assembly if we asked them. The leader of the school aides union addressed New Yorkers Against Budget Cuts this week. Also is anyone interested in going from Zucotti Park to the picket line in Central Park at 72nd St.?
From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua van Praag Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:25 PM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [september17discuss] RE: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers
I couldnt agree more with Jackie -- labor's involvement is key and as she points out there are so many locals in the NY area right now that are waging their own disparate, isolated struggles against the machine that is slowly crushing them. Workers' involvement in this action would have a hugely transformative effect. Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:43 PM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote: We need more outreach to workers. The best way to do that is by showing solidarity with them. We can start by passing resolutions announcing our support for Hotel Trades Council workers on strike at the Central Park Boathouse restaurant and the struggles of NYC Local 1199, SEIU (Social Service Employees Union) at Brookdale Hospital and Long Island Hospital in Brooklyn, also those facing layoffs including school aides, Local 372, DC (District Council) 37, AFSCME (American Federation State, County and Municipal Employees) and school bus drivers from the NYC ATU (Amalgamated Transit Union); of the CWA (Communication Workers of America) against demands for concessions at Verizon, of the struggle of Local 100 TWU (Transit Workers Union), to amend the NY anti-strike Taylor Law and of the UFT (United Federation of Teachers) to extend the Millionaire's Tax and the NNU (National Nurses United) to get a financial transactions tax. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Schneider Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM
To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a few hours! http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreetbegins-and-improvises/ Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:29:43 PM
To donate pizza tonight: IMPORTANT-Plz order 4 #OccupyWallStreet'ers tonight! Liberato's Pizza in in #NYC Phone: (212) 3443464 Online: http://t.co/7CpJwbrb #sep17 Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 18, 2011, at 5:24 PM, "Richard S." <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. I was just talking about this to someone in the IWW. There are already a few Wobblies involved, one who has facilitated at some of the organizing GAs. Of course, the IWW is not a big labor union these days, but they actually have been doing work to organize people who are outside of the big unions (a lot more such work than they did ten years ago, I might add), and they do have contacts with a lot of the "labor movement." I know there will be Wobblies there tonight, and I have passed the message along to one. So, if you are concerned about this, go around and look for a Wobbly. :) In the longer term, I think there should be some strategy for appealing to workers outside of the trade unions and union bureaucracies. We need to build more awareness in this country about stuff that our European comrades have already been discussing for a long time - precarity or precarious workers, newly proletarianized workers, new ideas of class composition, and autonomous organizing. (I talked about all of this in a small way in our little GA breakaway yesterday; that was fun.) Since the percentage of workers who are members of the known trade unions have sunk close to the single digits (and are in the single digits in the private sector), there must be other ways to appeal to workers and people's shared interest as workers. Trade union bureaucracies, especially, have sold workers out a bunch of times in recent history, with a big tendency toward making concessions, so this certainly seems like a good time to think about alternative methods. (This is my observation, anyway, and one that has been shared by a number of people who are concerned about these matters. On the other hand, I fully support the rank-and-file union members and would never speak against the workers in a trade union action.) Richard P.S. I can get some phone numbers of some IWW organizers and contact
> them if people would like me to (though some of you may already be > talking to them :) ). > > > On Sep 18, 2:25 pm, Joshua van Praag <jvanpr...@me.com> wrote: >> I couldnt agree more with Jackie -- labor's involvement is key and as she points out there are so many locals in the NY area right now that are waging their own disparate, isolated struggles against the machine that is slowly crushing them. Workers' involvement in this action would have a hugely transformative effect. >> >> Joshua van Praag >> jvanpr...@me.com >> >> +1.347.445.8315 >> +44.(0)7787.896952 >> >> On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Conor <cocor...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> + 1,000,000 to Jackie's proposal on working people / union struggles outreach and solidarity. >> >>> Also, why not invite people to protest Troy Davis's execution date at Liberty Plaza this Monday? >> >>> -Conor >> >>> On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:43 PM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisa...@nyc.rr.com> wrote: >> >>>> We need more outreach to workers. The best way to do that is by showing solidarity with them. We can start by passing resolutions announcing our support for Hotel Trades Council workers on strike at the Central Park Boathouse restaurant and the struggles of NYC Local 1199, SEIU (Social Service Employees Union) at Brookdale Hospital and Long Island Hospital in Brooklyn, also those facing layoffs including school aides, Local 372, DC (District Council) 37, AFSCME (American Federation State, County and Municipal Employees) and school bus drivers from the NYC ATU (Amalgamated Transit Union); of the CWA (Communication Workers of America) against demands for concessions at Verizon, of the struggle of Local 100 TWU (Transit Workers Union), to amend the NY anti-strike Taylor Law and of the UFT (United Federation of Teachers) to extend the Millionaire's Tax and the NNU (National Nurses United) to get a financial transactions tax. >> >>>> -----Original Message---->>>> From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Schneider >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM >>>> To: september17@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: [september17discuss] WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises >> >>>> A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or >>>> whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a >>>> few hours! >> >>>> http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-begins-and-impr... >> >>>> Nathan >> >>>> >>>> Nathan Schneider
>>>> Editor, Waging Nonviolence >>>> http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:28:00 PM
What about renting a port-a-potty? Is that possible? Would it help? I would be happy to make a contribution towards the fee. Gail On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 5:58 PM, M C <tebefoto@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Lauren. this is such a great idea! I have a 2y.o. whom I was going to bring over tomorrow morning. Let's do it! my number is 347 712 5044 Maria
From: Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> To: september17 <september17@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: [september17discuss] Re: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers
I know some people have said it would be divisive, but we really really need the kind of numbers. We also should appeal to the unemployed, although I know it's already been said a number of tiems though. Oh, and what would people think of trying to have a volunteer childcare sort of thing running? I'm always sort of torn on children at protests, but I know a lot of families have the issue that, well, the kids really do come first.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] RE: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 2:40:05 PM
We also need: 1. electric generators 2. tents 3. large water jugs 4. extension cords 5. myfi cards ( to make 3g or 4g wireless hotspots) -justin On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:25 PM, Joshua van Praag wrote: I couldnt agree more with Jackie -- labor's involvement is key and as she points out there are so many locals in the NY area right now that are waging their own disparate, isolated struggles against the machine that is slowly crushing them. Workers' involvement in this action would have a hugely transformative effect.
Joshua van Praag jvanpraag@me.com +1.347.445.8315 +44.(0)7787.896952 On Sep 18, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Conor <cocoreed@gmail.com> wrote: + 1,000,000 to Jackie's proposal on working people / union struggles outreach and solidarity. Also, why not invite people to protest Troy Davis's execution date at Liberty Plaza this Monday? -Conor
On Sep 18, 2011, at 1:43 PM, "Jackie DiSalvo" <jdisalvo@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
We need more outreach to workers. The best way to do that is by showing solidarity with them. We can start by passing resolutions announcing our support for Hotel Trades Council workers on strike at the Central Park Boathouse restaurant and the struggles of NYC Local 1199, SEIU (Social Service Employees Union) at Brookdale Hospital and Long Island Hospital in Brooklyn, also those facing layoffs including school aides, Local 372, DC (District Council) 37, AFSCME (American Federation State, County and Municipal Employees) and school bus drivers from the NYC ATU (Amalgamated Transit Union); of the CWA (Communication Workers of America) against demands for concessions at Verizon, of the struggle of Local 100 TWU (Transit Workers Union), to amend the NY anti-strike Taylor Law and of the UFT (United Federation of Teachers) to extend the Millionaire's Tax and the NNU (National Nurses United) to get a financial transactions tax. -----Original Message----From: september17@googlegroups.com [mailto:september17@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nathan Schneider Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 10:55 AM To: september17@googlegroups.com Subject: [september17discuss] WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a few hours! http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstr eet-begins-and-improvises/ Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolence http://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Jackie DiSalvo september17@googlegroups.com no-budget-cuts-ny-discussion@googlegroups.com RE: [september17discuss] RE: [september17discuss} Outreach to Workers Sunday, September 18, 2011 3:10:13 PM
I am looking for a radical economist to give an informal presentation and participate in a discussion of the various budget crises with my very progressive international womans group Friday evening, Sept. 23. . Is there anyone who could do it or knows someone who might?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Presto september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: credit unions Monday, September 19, 2011 8:24:52 AM
There's Brooklyn Cooperative Credit Union; they have branches in Bushwick and Bed-Stuy. You don't need any ties to any organizations. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: Additionally, while we could try to create a credit union, it tends to be a rather tedious task that takes some devoted people. That said, it did happen in a number of places, after all, a lot of these credit unions grew from little, and in some countries these credit unions are now some of the largest financial institutions. On Sep 19, 5:40 am, gabj...@gmail.com wrote: > At least in my experience, to join a credit union you have to have a certain tie to an organization (like be stationed at a certain air force base, or work for a company, or go to a college) or have an immediate family member who does. But if anyone knows of exceptions, please certainly do tell us; I'm sure people here will be interested. > > --glj > Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----> From: Drew Hornbein <dhornb...@gmail.com> > > Sender: september17@googlegroups.com > Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 05:21:17 > To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> > Reply-To: september17@googlegroups.com > Subject: [september17discuss] credit unions > > Anyone part of a credit union? > > How can I protest the banks when in my wallet rests the JP Morgan & Chase > corporate logo? > > This would be a good opportunity for credit unions to recruit members. > > Solidarity.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: credit unions Monday, September 19, 2011 10:17:39 PM
YES! On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:02 PM, Lauren <laurendapfraiz@gmail.com> wrote: I too am very interested in learning more about credit unions! And other banking alternatives as well. Why dont we invite a representative of one of the NYC credit unions to Zuccotti Park and do a small presentation to explain how they work? On Sep 19, 6:11 am, Ellen Davidson <ellen.david...@verizon.net> wrote: > The Lower East Side Peoples Federal Credit Union (lespfcu.org) was begun in the 70s when that neighborhood was being redlined by the banks (an illegal practice of drawing a red line around low-income neighborhoods on the map and denying all loan applications from those areas). It is still very community based and offers checking and savings accounts for $5 membership fee per year. > Ellen > > > > > > > > On 09/19/11,Luis Moreno-Caballud<morenocaballud@yahoo.es>wrote:I'm part of a credit union and be supporting this campaign:http://moveyourmoneyproject.org/ > Please spread the word! > Also, Drew, it would be wonderful if you could put a map showing where's Zucotti park on the website, people keeps telling me that they had trouble to figure out where the "camp" is... > thanks! > solidarity! > On Sep 19, 2011, at 5:21 AM, Drew Hornbein wrote: > > Anyone part of a credit union? >> > > How can I protest the banks when in my wallet rests the JP Morgan & Chase corporate logo? >> > > This would be a good opportunity for credit unions to recruit members. >> > > Solidarity.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Matthew Bralow september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: credit unions Monday, September 19, 2011 8:32:29 AM
http://backbonecampaign.org/page.cfm?id=171 http://backbonecampaign.org/storydetail.cfm?id=325 http://moveyourmoneyproject.org/ On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > Additionally, while we could try to create a credit union, it tends to > be a rather tedious task that takes some devoted people. > > That said, it did happen in a number of places, after all, a lot of > these credit unions grew from little, and in some countries these > credit unions are now some of the largest financial institutions. > > On Sep 19, 5:40 am, gabj...@gmail.com wrote: >> At least in my experience, to join a credit union you have to have a certain tie to an organization (like be stationed at a certain air force base, or work for a company, or go to a college) or have an immediate family member who does. But if anyone knows of exceptions, please certainly do tell us; I'm sure people here will be interested. >> >> --glj >> Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message---->> From: Drew Hornbein <dhornb...@gmail.com> >> >> Sender: september17@googlegroups.com >> Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2011 05:21:17 >> To: september17<september17@googlegroups.com> >> Reply-To: september17@googlegroups.com >> Subject: [september17discuss] credit unions >> >> Anyone part of a credit union? >> >> How can I protest the banks when in my wallet rests the JP Morgan & Chase >> corporate logo? >> >> This would be a good opportunity for credit unions to recruit members. >> >> Solidarity.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 10:49:16 AM
yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for selfreflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: I honestly doubt there will be more than a dozen people. If there were more, at least, I'd take it as an opportunity for education.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 12:25:12 PM
from the looks of the event page and the gawker comments more of us than of them--- we might not even have to do anything--- hahahahhaha On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: ok, we may have a couple people from nyu coming down in suits at 4... tell me how many u think we have there... On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn wrote: yes sparkling apple juice! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, record! And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs. CC'ing Kira.annika@gmail.com , who's on the ground at media center, to help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men to join action too, in suits. who's point person to coordinate everything? -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for this. I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and record it... Awesome! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: terrific-- see you in business casual my friend On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and coEmails come from PST files that were linked to a post on biggovernment.com by Thomas Ryan. PDF by www.teapartycheer.com
opt this action (if it isn't ours already). this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate. just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counterprotest -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to
sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for selfreflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.
This is a real counter protest the guy has been trying to delete all the pro-OWS comments but they are now coming in too fast and furious for him to keep up with at his trading desk. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I guess I'm confused about our intent here: Whether or not we know if this is a real counter-protest - it may be staged by our supporters as street theatre - our approach should be to come with NONALCHOHOLIC drinks like sparkling apple juice or even just a bottle that doesn't look like an alcohol bottle if you're scared. My vision here is to augment the size and optics of this "counter-protest" to film a really fun video about all these "pro-wall street" folks in absurd celebration. If people feel this would be done more effectively in conjunction with the police, making them aware of our intentions, all the better. it doesn't really matter for the video as long as we get in. -justin On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: I just confirmed with my contact at the Lawyers Guild that an open container is arrest-able, and should include a summons. He encouraged us to take pictures and mock them and the police especially if they don't do their jobs. I lost my number for the legal observers but it might be good to have them around as well, I'll call them them if someone hooks me up with their digits. Good call on the juice! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yes sparkling apple juice! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, record! And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs. CC'ing Kira.annika@gmail.com , who's on the ground at media center, to help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will
try to get yes men to join action too, in suits. who's point person to coordinate everything? -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for this. I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and record it... Awesome! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: terrific-- see you in business casual my friend On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this action (if it isn't ours already). this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate. just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counter-protest -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it
home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.
I know-- I was thinking something like "too ostentatious for occupation" On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: All the better if it's real and we join in pretending to be real. It sounds counterintuitive, but this is exactly the kind of thing that we can turn into a great video for OUR CAUSE if we do it convincingly - play the role. Think Billionaires for Bush. -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:28 PM, grimwomyn wrote: This is a real counter protest the guy has been trying to delete all the pro-OWS comments but they are now coming in too fast and furious for him to keep up with at his trading desk. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I guess I'm confused about our intent here: Whether or not we know if this is a real counter-protest - it may be staged by our supporters as street theatre - our approach should be to come with NON-ALCHOHOLIC drinks like sparkling apple juice or even just a bottle that doesn't look like an alcohol bottle if you're scared. My vision here is to augment the size and optics of this "counterprotest" to film a really fun video about all these "pro-wall street" folks in absurd celebration. If people feel this would be done more effectively in conjunction with the police, making them aware of our intentions, all the better. it doesn't really matter for the video as long as we get in. -justin On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: I just confirmed with my contact at the Lawyers Guild that an open container is arrest-able, and should include a summons. He encouraged us to take pictures and mock them and the police especially if they don't do their jobs. I lost my number for the legal observers but it might be good to have them around as well, I'll call them them if
someone hooks me up with their digits. Good call on the juice! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yes sparkling apple juice! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, record! And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs. CC'ing Kira.annika@gmail.com , who's on the ground at media center, to help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men to join action too, in suits. who's point person to coordinate everything? -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for this. I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and record it... Awesome! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: terrific-- see you in business casual my friend On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: it would be a shame if we didn't get
into suits and co-opt this action (if it isn't ours already). this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate. just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counter-protest -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she
would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency
expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 1:08:18 PM
I'm feeling what you're writing Justin! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: also, can u send me your # and i'll call u now On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:31 PM, grimwomyn wrote: I know-- I was thinking something like "too ostentatious for occupation" On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: All the better if it's real and we join in pretending to be real. It sounds counterintuitive, but this is exactly the kind of thing that we can turn into a great video for OUR CAUSE if we do it convincingly - play the role. Think Billionaires for Bush. -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:28 PM, grimwomyn wrote: This is a real counter protest the guy has been trying to delete all the pro-OWS comments but they are now coming in too fast and furious for him to keep up with at his trading desk. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I guess I'm confused about our intent here: Whether or not we know if this is a real counter-protest - it may be staged by our supporters as street theatre our approach should be to come with NONALCHOHOLIC drinks like sparkling apple juice or even just a bottle that doesn't look like an alcohol bottle if you're scared. My vision here is to augment the size and optics of this "counter-protest" to film a really fun video about all these "pro-wall street" folks in absurd celebration.
If people feel this would be done more effectively in conjunction with the police, making them aware of our intentions, all the better. it doesn't really matter for the video as long as we get in. -justin On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: I just confirmed with my contact at the Lawyers Guild that an open container is arrest-able, and should include a summons. He encouraged us to take pictures and mock them and the police especially if they don't do their jobs. I lost my number for the legal observers but it might be good to have them around as well, I'll call them them if someone hooks me up with their digits. Good call on the juice! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yes sparkling apple juice! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, record! And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs. CC'ing Kira.annika@gmail.com , who's on the ground at media center, to help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men to join action too, in suits. who's point person to coordinate everything? -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: Grim this score is a goldmine!
I'll try to get off work early for this. I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and record it... Awesome! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: terrific-- see you in business casual my friend On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this action (if it isn't ours already). this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate. just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counterprotest -j On Sep 23, 2011, at
10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@g mail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to
write at this length is disturbing:

Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that
they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for selfreflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry
band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Lauren <celliwig@g mail.com> wrote: I honestly doubt there will be more than a dozen people. If there were more, at least, I'd take it as an opportunity for education.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 1:07:31 PM
I have a spare top hat and tuxedo tee shirt I will bring. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: also, can u send me your # and i'll call u now On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:31 PM, grimwomyn wrote: I know-- I was thinking something like "too ostentatious for occupation" On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: All the better if it's real and we join in pretending to be real. It sounds counterintuitive, but this is exactly the kind of thing that we can turn into a great video for OUR CAUSE if we do it convincingly - play the role. Think Billionaires for Bush. -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:28 PM, grimwomyn wrote: This is a real counter protest the guy has been trying to delete all the pro-OWS comments but they are now coming in too fast and furious for him to keep up with at his trading desk. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: I guess I'm confused about our intent here: Whether or not we know if this is a real counter-protest - it may be staged by our supporters as street theatre our approach should be to come with NONALCHOHOLIC drinks like sparkling apple juice or even just a bottle that doesn't look like an alcohol bottle if you're scared. My vision here is to augment the size and optics of this "counter-protest" to film a really fun video about all these "pro-wall street" folks in absurd celebration. If people feel this would be done more effectively in conjunction with the police, making them aware of our
intentions, all the better. it doesn't really matter for the video as long as we get in. -justin On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: I just confirmed with my contact at the Lawyers Guild that an open container is arrest-able, and should include a summons. He encouraged us to take pictures and mock them and the police especially if they don't do their jobs. I lost my number for the legal observers but it might be good to have them around as well, I'll call them them if someone hooks me up with their digits. Good call on the juice! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yes sparkling apple juice! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, record! And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs. CC'ing Kira.annika@gmail.com , who's on the ground at media center, to help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men to join action too, in suits. who's point person to coordinate everything? -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for this. I'll try to get some
cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and record it... Awesome! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: terrific-- see you in business casual my friend On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this action (if it isn't ours already). this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate. just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counterprotest -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote:
yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@g mail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is
disturbing:
Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that,
your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for selfreflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made
the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Lauren <celliwig@g mail.com> wrote: I honestly doubt there will be more than a dozen people. If there were more, at least, I'd take it as an opportunity for education.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 1:17:20 PM
Can there be a spare cheap suit for me? (Or at least a pair of slacks?) --glj On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm feeling what you're writing Justin! > H. > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> also, can u send me your # and i'll call u now >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:31 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >> >> I know-- I was thinking something like "too ostentatious for occupation" >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> All the better if it's real and we join in pretending to be real. >>> It sounds counterintuitive, but this is exactly the kind of thing that we >>> can turn into a great video for OUR CAUSE if we do it convincingly - play >>> the role. >>> Think Billionaires for Bush. >>> -j >>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:28 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >>> >>> This is a real counter protest the guy has been trying to delete all the >>> pro-OWS comments but they are now coming in too fast and furious for him to >>> keep up with at his trading desk. >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I guess I'm confused about our intent here: >>>> Whether or not we know if this is a real counter-protest - it may be >>>> staged by our supporters as street theatre - our approach should be to come >>>> with NON-ALCHOHOLIC drinks like sparkling apple juice or even just a bottle >>>> that doesn't look like an alcohol bottle if you're scared. >>>> My vision here is to augment the size and optics of this >>>> "counter-protest" to film a really fun video about all these "pro-wall >>>> street" folks in absurd celebration. >>>> If people feel this would be done more effectively in conjunction with >>>> the police, making them aware of our intentions, all the better. it doesn't >>>> really matter for the video as long as we get in. >>>> -justin >>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: >>>> >>>> I just confirmed with my contact at the Lawyers Guild that an open >>>> container is arrest-able, and should include a summons. He encouraged us to >>>> take pictures and mock them and the police especially if they don't do their >>>> jobs. I lost my number for the legal observers but it might be good to have >>>> them around as well, I'll call them them if someone hooks me up with their >>>> digits. Good call on the juice! >>>> H. >>>>
>>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> yes sparkling apple juice! >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, record! >>>>>> And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs. >>>>>> CC'ing Kira.annika@gmail.com , who's on the ground at media center, to >>>>>> help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men >>>>>> to join action too, in suits. >>>>>> who's point person to coordinate everything? >>>>>> -j >>>>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for >>>>>> this. I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they >>>>>> don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and >>>>>> record it... >>>>>> Awesome! >>>>>> H. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> terrific-- see you in business casual my friend >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this >>>>>>>> action (if it isn't ours already). >>>>>>>> this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this >>>>>>>> afternoon! >>>>>>>> who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men >>>>>>>> about our camp, so can't coordinate. >>>>>>>> just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have >>>>>>>> a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be >>>>>>>> on the counter-protest >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -j >>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay >>>>>>>> strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or >>>>>>>> broadcast. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look >>>>>>>>> at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't >>>>>>>>> let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and >>>>>>>>> it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some >>>>>>>>> random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing: >>>>>>>>> Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big >>>>>>>>> of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to >>>>>>>>> you though Mariel.
>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, >>>>>>>>> threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If >>>>>>>>> you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you >>>>>>>>> run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, >>>>>>>>> apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at >>>>>>>>> them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to >>>>>>>>> wise up. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you >>>>>>>>> seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. >>>>>>>>> Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for >>>>>>>>> self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did >>>>>>>>> not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where >>>>>>>>> you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where >>>>>>>>> you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that >>>>>>>>> used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you >>>>>>>>> think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working >>>>>>>>> stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. >>>>>>>>> They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this >>>>>>>>> world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made >>>>>>>>> the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they >>>>>>>>> made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise >>>>>>>>> the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with >>>>>>>>> the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the >>>>>>>>> end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I honestly doubt there will be more than a dozen people. If there >>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>> more, at least, I'd take it as an opportunity for education. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 1:18:49 PM
(Also NONE OF THEM are getting my ironic wall post. I *will* bring deodorant if I can, however.) --glj On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: > Can there be a spare cheap suit for me? (Or at least a pair of slacks?) > > --glj > > On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: >> I'm feeling what you're writing Justin! >> H. >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> also, can u send me your # and i'll call u now >>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:31 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >>> >>> I know-- I was thinking something like "too ostentatious for occupation" >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> All the better if it's real and we join in pretending to be real. >>>> It sounds counterintuitive, but this is exactly the kind of thing that we >>>> can turn into a great video for OUR CAUSE if we do it convincingly - play >>>> the role. >>>> Think Billionaires for Bush. >>>> -j >>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:28 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >>>> >>>> This is a real counter protest the guy has been trying to delete all the >>>> pro-OWS comments but they are now coming in too fast and furious for him to >>>> keep up with at his trading desk. >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I guess I'm confused about our intent here: >>>>> Whether or not we know if this is a real counter-protest - it may be >>>>> staged by our supporters as street theatre - our approach should be to come >>>>> with NON-ALCHOHOLIC drinks like sparkling apple juice or even just a bottle >>>>> that doesn't look like an alcohol bottle if you're scared. >>>>> My vision here is to augment the size and optics of this >>>>> "counter-protest" to film a really fun video about all these "pro-wall >>>>> street" folks in absurd celebration. >>>>> If people feel this would be done more effectively in conjunction with >>>>> the police, making them aware of our intentions, all the better. it doesn't >>>>> really matter for the video as long as we get in. >>>>> -justin >>>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I just confirmed with my contact at the Lawyers Guild that an open >>>>> container is arrest-able, and should include a summons. He encouraged us to
>>>>> take pictures and mock them and the police especially if they don't do their >>>>> jobs. I lost my number for the legal observers but it might be good to have >>>>> them around as well, I'll call them them if someone hooks me up with their >>>>> digits. Good call on the juice! >>>>> H. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> yes sparkling apple juice! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, record! >>>>>>> And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs. >>>>>>> CC'ing Kira.annika@gmail.com , who's on the ground at media center, to >>>>>>> help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men >>>>>>> to join action too, in suits. >>>>>>> who's point person to coordinate everything? >>>>>>> -j >>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for >>>>>>> this. I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they >>>>>>> don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and >>>>>>> record it... >>>>>>> Awesome! >>>>>>> H. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> terrific-- see you in business casual my friend >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this >>>>>>>>> action (if it isn't ours already). >>>>>>>>> this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this >>>>>>>>> afternoon! >>>>>>>>> who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men >>>>>>>>> about our camp, so can't coordinate. >>>>>>>>> just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have >>>>>>>>> a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be >>>>>>>>> on the counter-protest >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -j >>>>>>>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay >>>>>>>>> strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or >>>>>>>>> broadcast. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look >>>>>>>>>> at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't
>>>>>>>>>> let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and >>>>>>>>>> it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some >>>>>>>>>> random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing: >>>>>>>>>> Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big >>>>>>>>>> of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to >>>>>>>>>> you though Mariel. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, >>>>>>>>>> threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If >>>>>>>>>> you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you >>>>>>>>>> run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, >>>>>>>>>> apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at >>>>>>>>>> them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to >>>>>>>>>> wise up. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you >>>>>>>>>> seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. >>>>>>>>>> Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for >>>>>>>>>> self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did >>>>>>>>>> not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where >>>>>>>>>> you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where >>>>>>>>>> you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that >>>>>>>>>> used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you >>>>>>>>>> think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working >>>>>>>>>> stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. >>>>>>>>>> They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this >>>>>>>>>> world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made >>>>>>>>>> the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they >>>>>>>>>> made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise >>>>>>>>>> the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with >>>>>>>>>> the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the >>>>>>>>>> end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I honestly doubt there will be more than a dozen people. If there >>>>>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>>>>> more, at least, I'd take it as an opportunity for education. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >
And I will be there at 3 for the media meeting and rounding people up around that time. I have extra business attire I will bring for any ladies who want it as well. On Sep 23, 2011 12:59 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > mike and andy from yes men may join this! i neeeeedddd you, GRYMWOMYN to coordinate this on the ground. do you understand the feel of this, very boojy and street theatreish? no conflict, no screaming, very refined. > > also, we can have people dressed as waiters with trays delivering champagne, grapes. > > -j > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:31 PM, grimwomyn wrote: > >> I know-- I was thinking something like "too ostentatious for occupation" >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> All the better if it's real and we join in pretending to be real. >> >> It sounds counterintuitive, but this is exactly the kind of thing that we can turn into a great video for OUR CAUSE if we do it convincingly - play the role. >> >> Think Billionaires for Bush. >> >> -j >> >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:28 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >> >>> This is a real counter protest the guy has been trying to delete all the proOWS comments but they are now coming in too fast and furious for him to keep up with at his trading desk. >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I guess I'm confused about our intent here: >>> >>> Whether or not we know if this is a real counter-protest - it may be staged by our supporters as street theatre - our approach should be to come with NONALCHOHOLIC drinks like sparkling apple juice or even just a bottle that doesn't look like an alcohol bottle if you're scared. >>> >>> My vision here is to augment the size and optics of this "counter-protest" to film a really fun video about all these "pro-wall street" folks in absurd celebration. >>> >>> If people feel this would be done more effectively in conjunction with the police, making them aware of our intentions, all the better. it doesn't really matter for the video as long as we get in.
>>> >>> -justin >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: >>> >>>> I just confirmed with my contact at the Lawyers Guild that an open container is arrest-able, and should include a summons. He encouraged us to take pictures and mock them and the police especially if they don't do their jobs. I lost my number for the legal observers but it might be good to have them around as well, I'll call them them if someone hooks me up with their digits. Good call on the juice! >>>> >>>> H. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> yes sparkling apple juice! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Yes, record! >>>> >>>> And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs. >>>> >>>> CC'ing Kira.annika@gmail.com , who's on the ground at media center, to help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men to join action too, in suits. >>>> >>>> who's point person to coordinate everything? >>>> >>>> -j >>>> >>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: >>>> >>>>> Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for this. I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and record it... >>>>> >>>>> Awesome! >>>>> >>>>> H. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> terrific-- see you in business casual my friend >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this action (if it isn't ours already).
>>>>> >>>>> this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! >>>>> >>>>> who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate. >>>>> >>>>> just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counterprotest >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -j >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. >>>>>> >>>>>> The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. >>>>>> >>>>>> A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. >>>>>> >>>>>> NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you
was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> I honestly doubt there will be more than a dozen people. If there were >>>>>> more, at least, I'd take it as an opportunity for education. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >
Absolutely, I am a classy dame, no shouting, all snobbish love of the elite! See you there! On Sep 23, 2011 12:59 PM, "Justin Wedes" <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > mike and andy from yes men may join this! i neeeeedddd you, GRYMWOMYN to coordinate this on the ground. do you understand the feel of this, very boojy and street theatreish? no conflict, no screaming, very refined. > > also, we can have people dressed as waiters with trays delivering champagne, grapes. > > -j > > On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:31 PM, grimwomyn wrote: > >> I know-- I was thinking something like "too ostentatious for occupation" >> >> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >> All the better if it's real and we join in pretending to be real. >> >> It sounds counterintuitive, but this is exactly the kind of thing that we can turn into a great video for OUR CAUSE if we do it convincingly - play the role. >> >> Think Billionaires for Bush. >> >> -j >> >> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:28 PM, grimwomyn wrote: >> >>> This is a real counter protest the guy has been trying to delete all the proOWS comments but they are now coming in too fast and furious for him to keep up with at his trading desk. >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I guess I'm confused about our intent here: >>> >>> Whether or not we know if this is a real counter-protest - it may be staged by our supporters as street theatre - our approach should be to come with NONALCHOHOLIC drinks like sparkling apple juice or even just a bottle that doesn't look like an alcohol bottle if you're scared. >>> >>> My vision here is to augment the size and optics of this "counter-protest" to film a really fun video about all these "pro-wall street" folks in absurd celebration. >>> >>> If people feel this would be done more effectively in conjunction with the police, making them aware of our intentions, all the better. it doesn't really matter for the video as long as we get in.
>>> >>> -justin >>> >>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: >>> >>>> I just confirmed with my contact at the Lawyers Guild that an open container is arrest-able, and should include a summons. He encouraged us to take pictures and mock them and the police especially if they don't do their jobs. I lost my number for the legal observers but it might be good to have them around as well, I'll call them them if someone hooks me up with their digits. Good call on the juice! >>>> >>>> H. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> yes sparkling apple juice! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Yes, record! >>>> >>>> And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs. >>>> >>>> CC'ing Kira.annika@gmail.com , who's on the ground at media center, to help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men to join action too, in suits. >>>> >>>> who's point person to coordinate everything? >>>> >>>> -j >>>> >>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: >>>> >>>>> Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for this. I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and record it... >>>>> >>>>> Awesome! >>>>> >>>>> H. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> terrific-- see you in business casual my friend >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this action (if it isn't ours already).
>>>>> >>>>> this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! >>>>> >>>>> who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate. >>>>> >>>>> just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counterprotest >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -j >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing: >>>>>> >>>>>> Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. >>>>>> >>>>>> The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. >>>>>> >>>>>> A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. >>>>>> >>>>>> NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you
was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> I honestly doubt there will be more than a dozen people. If there were >>>>>> more, at least, I'd take it as an opportunity for education. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 11:42:03 AM
THIS IS AWESOME!!! I'm so there! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 11:44:48 AM
terrific-- see you in business casual my friend On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this action (if it isn't ours already). this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate. just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressedup "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counter-protest -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you
in custody. NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 11:59:02 AM
I'm in! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: terrific-- see you in business casual my friend On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this action (if it isn't ours already). this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate. just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counter-protest -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to
use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.
Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for this. I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and record it... Awesome! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: terrific-- see you in business casual my friend On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this action (if it isn't ours already). this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate. just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counter-protest -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel.
The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.
yes sparkling apple juice! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, record! And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs. CC'ing Kira.annika@gmail.com , who's on the ground at media center, to help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men to join action too, in suits. who's point person to coordinate everything? -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for this. I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and record it... Awesome! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: terrific-- see you in business casual my friend On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this action (if it isn't ours already). this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate. just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counter-protest
-j On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
I just confirmed with my contact at the Lawyers Guild that an open container is arrest-able, and should include a summons. He encouraged us to take pictures and mock them and the police especially if they don't do their jobs. I lost my number for the legal observers but it might be good to have them around as well, I'll call them them if someone hooks me up with their digits. Good call on the juice! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yes sparkling apple juice! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, record! And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs. CC'ing Kira.annika@gmail.com , who's on the ground at media center, to help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men to join action too, in suits. who's point person to coordinate everything? -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for this. I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and record it... Awesome! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: terrific-- see you in business casual my friend On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this
action (if it isn't ours already). this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate. just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counter-protest -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody.
NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Tarak Kauff september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 12:17:28 PM
I have been arrested for civil resistance a good number of times and also organized quite a few effective actions with Veteran For Peace and others. Not taking any sides in this discussion below (I don't know the specifics) but we do not treat the police, in general, as enemies. That approach is totally counter productive. Yes, stand up for your 1st amendment rights, but abusive behavior, attitude and language directed at the cops is counter-productive and quite often instigated by provocateurs. It is also not keeping with the principles of nonviolent action. And I am aware (very much) that being in police custody is no picnic and quite often police power is abused. However, if they act like abusive asses, we do not have to respond in kind. When a person or persons become abusive they lose their dignity. I hope as a movement and as individuals, we can maintain our dignity and not fall to that level. We do recognize, who the police work for (the system) who they serve very often as as a front line of oppression for, that there is corruption. racism, brutality and bigotry within the police force, yet we also recognize that there are many decent, hard working honest men and women on the force - also many who are sympathetic to what most of us stand for and I have met many like that on the force. The police are not the enemy. The corporate capitalist system controlling every aspect of out lives is. Please do not assume that all cops are bastards - they are not. We will greatly further this revolutionary movement if we do not automatically set up a we vs them atmosphere, especially with individual police. At some point, we will need the police (or at least some of them) as part of the working class, to come over to our side. Again, it is one thing to stand up firmly to police abuse in any form but we do not have to assume that all individual cops are automatically in that place. Of course, if you out front give them a lot of shit, they will be more predisposed to act that way. That said, keep up the great and inspiring revolutionary work you are all doing. I am uplifted when I am down there with all of you. See you all this weekend. In Solidarity, Tarak Veterans For Peace On Sep 23, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Harrison Schultz wrote: THIS IS AWESOME!!! I'm so there! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote:
yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
and the facebook event page has been completely taken over by 99percenters! booya! off to do laundry :) On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:13 PM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: yes sparkling apple juice! On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: Yes, record! And use sparkling apple juice not alcohol to avoid legal probs. CC'ing Kira.annika@gmail.com , who's on the ground at media center, to help coordinate. i should be back from nyu by then. will try to get yes men to join action too, in suits. who's point person to coordinate everything? -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Harrison Schultz wrote: Grim this score is a goldmine! I'll try to get off work early for this. I'll try to get some cheap champagne too if I have some time, if they don't get arrested, we should pull our stuff out, see what happens, and record it... Awesome! H. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:44 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: terrific-- see you in business casual my friend On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: it would be a shame if we didn't get into suits and co-opt this action (if it isn't ours already). this might be the easiest wall to get onto wall street this afternoon! who's game? i'm at nyu right now spreading the word with the yes men about our camp, so can't coordinate.
just one thing: let's not set this up as a confrontation. maybe have a few dressed-up "hippies" there to stoke the fire, but emphasis should be on the counter-protest -j On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:49 AM, grimwomyn wrote: yeah-- it takes all types in this world.... sorry to hear it... stay strong this wont be the last nasty comment that is sent, spoken, shouted, or broadcast. On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:40 AM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your
merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Does everyone know about this "counter protest?" Friday, September 23, 2011 10:40:41 AM
My guess is no one will be there. It's just a stupid joke. Look at the nasty comment I got on my blog post about Mariel Moshiri. I won't let it through moderation because her mother says she's really depressed and it might upset her more. I don't want her to see it. The mere fact some random person took the time to write at this length is disturbing:
Well Gail won't post my other comment. Apparently she's not as big of a fan of free speech as she would purport. Maybe she'll send this on to you though Mariel. The clip clearly shows you swearing like a drunken sailor, threatening to sue right from the get go. The language continues on here. If you get confrontational with a cop in a potentially volatile situation you run the risk of being arrested. I'm glad you cooperated once at the station, apparently the fact that they didn't let you go simply because you swore at them and told them you would sue must have made you realize it was time to wise up. I'm sure you hate the system that we have set up in America but you seem very ready to use that system to sue the NYPD for all that they have. Good luck with that, your top 10% IQ clearly doesn't allow for self-reflection as if you see the hypocrite that you are. A cop screamed you were suicidal? I will 100% guarantee that did not happen. Possibly in your head but not in reality. You didn't know where you were? Well that will happen on your big day out in the big city where you act in a way where the police have end up placing you in custody. NYPD is a great department. A lot of them died in the towers that used to cast a shadow over the area where you were arrested. Whatever you think the reason was for that day those people that died were just working stiffs trying to get home to their families that day and it didn't happen. They try to do that everyday and make a real impact on people and this world. Not a paper impact like you and your merry band of protesters made the other day. The reason they detained you was to help insure that they made it home that day as well. Remember that in the future as you exercise the rights provided to you by this American system, flaws and all, act with the decency expected of our citizens and you'll make it home yourself at the end of the night with your dignity and soundness of mind in tact.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:27:23 PM
I have been writing abt the end to corporatism..... On Sep 20, 2011 8:20 PM, "Lauren" <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: > My copypaste yesterday went roughly "the exact demands are still being > finalized but the rough gist would probably be end the plutocracy, > here are some of the proposals presented to the assemblies, etc" (lost > the exact text :p ), I'm very careful about not giving people the > wrong idea on that point. > > On Sep 20, 8:16 pm, Justin Wedes <jwe...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hey Lauren, >> >> I think It's important not to misrepresent where we are in our process of demand-making. >> >> It's OK to be in the process of making them. The world supports us in THAT!! >> >> -justin >> >> On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Lauren wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Excellent piece. I must be honest, at this point whenever people ask >> > if we have demands I just say vague things like "end the plutocracy" >> > because no matter what is done at the AG, this is going to be the gist >> > of it (I hope, because if it's not, we've sort of failed there).
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Five demands from the NYCGA: how to link the struggle for democracy to the struggle for social and economic justice Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:17:02 PM
Hey Lauren, I think It's important not to misrepresent where we are in our process of demand-making. It's OK to be in the process of making them. The world supports us in THAT!! -justin On Sep 20, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Lauren wrote: > > > > Excellent piece. I must be honest, at this point whenever people ask if we have demands I just say vague things like "end the plutocracy" because no matter what is done at the AG, this is going to be the gist of it (I hope, because if it's not, we've sort of failed there).
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Vicente Rubio september17@googlegroups.com Justin Molito Re: [september17discuss] Re: flyer Wednesday, September 21, 2011 3:23:04 PM
I'll try to help with that. I also would like to help on any 99% meeting, activity, etc. 2011/9/21 Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> I'm tweeting Amy Goodman's "Why Occupy Wall Street Makes Sense" to any NYC grassroots organization I know... Anyone can help? Please RT Amy Goodman: Why #OccupyWallStreet Makes Sense: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/sep/21/occupy-wallstreet-amy-goodman Please join us! On Sep 21, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Justin Molito wrote:
Ok, Maybe we will either do it 2x or wait until Friday... We need to make this an inclusive movement. soon....
From: Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> To: Justin Molito <justinmolito@yahoo.com> Cc: Begonia Santa-Cecilia <begoniasc@yahoo.es> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:51 PM Subject: Re: flyer
I finish my class tomorrow at 7pm in Philly, don't think I can make it to Zuccoti before 10:30... I would definitely love to be in that meeting, or if I can't make it at least hear about what happened... thanks! luis On Sep 21, 2011, at 11:53 AM, Justin Molito wrote:
when are you in town? I am going to organize a 99% organizing meeting and I want you there.
From: Luis Moreno-Caballud <morenocaballud@yahoo.es> To: Justinmolito <justinmolito@yahoo.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:49 AM Subject: Re: flyer
Justin, these flyers are great, I will print some and bring them tomorrow night.
De: Justinmolito <justinmolito@yahoo.com> Fecha: 21 de septiembre de 2011 00:08:47 EDT Para: "begoniasc@yahoo.es" <begoniasc@yahoo.es> Asunto: Fwd: flyer Hello Here are the flyers we are distributing. We handed out 4,000 to outreach everywhere! Solidarity! Justin Begin forwarded message: From: Jeff Rae <jeffrae@mac.com> Date: September 20, 2011 7:49:28 PM EDT To: Justin Molito <justinmolito@yahoo.com> Subject: flyer <flyer.pdf>
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Industry player sites Monday, September 19, 2011 5:16:05 PM
I have a terrific Koch Kills banner which has annoyed them enough in the past (at the Rancho Mirage protest) for David Koch to complain about it in an interview in the Weakly Standard, pictured here in DC: http://wonkette.com/426305/nasa-zombie-alliance-hosts-climate-change-apocalypserally Which I have used to good effect with a climate zombie outfit as shown. Could be problematic as far as masks go, and also sticks to hold the banner up, in NYC. If anyone is interested let me know. Gail
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 2:46 PM, gwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: And one more for this week: THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2011 New York City Ballet Fall Gala Performance, cocktails and dinner. Lincoln Center-David H. Koch Theater. New York. (212) 870-5585. Event address: 20 Lincoln Center Plaza, New York. Event web address: nycballet.com. *FYI: the Theater is named after David Koch, head tea partier: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer FALL GALA David H. Koch Theater, Lincoln Center GALA CHAIRMEN Alec Baldwin Jodie and John Eastman Marlene Hess (Hess Oil Heiress: http://nyti.ms/owkzR7 ) and Jim Zirin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_D._Zirin ) Alice and Lorne Michaels VICE CHAIRS Fiona Druckenmiller, married to the "149th richest person in America" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Druckenmiller Carol Mack Charlotte Moss PAUL MCCARTNEYS OCEANS KINGDOM
Choreography by Peter Martins Costumes by Stella McCartney Projections by S. Katy Tucker Scenic Design by Perry Silvey Lighting by Mark Stanley 6:00pm Cocktails 7:30pm Performance 9:00pm Supper Ball Black Tie Gala Tables of 10: $150,000, $100,000, $50,000, $25,000 (limited availability) Gala Tickets: $10,000, $5,000, $2,500, $1,500 (limited availability) Cocktail and Performance Tickets: $750, $350 Please call 212-870-5585 or email specialevents@nycballet.com to purchase tickets. On Sep 19, 12:47 pm, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > So, another high profile target to consider for tomorrow, and evening event > that will be totally unexpected and would make a lot of noise would be to > have an action at the New York Public Library's $25K a plate dinner tomorrow > night. Usually the exact speakers/attendees of the events are kept hush hush > until after, but here is a recent example:http://newyorkpubliclibrary.org/audiovideo/presidents-council-fall-di... > of the attendees will be linked to the corporate power structure in > one > way or another. > > The location is the main building at 42nd and 5th ave, with a park behind > the library, Bryant Park:http://g.co/maps/uxkxk > > The board of the NYPL is comprised of the top 1% and is just a great general > target for a peaceful powerful action. For all it will scream abt how they > are a struggling NGO, the library is worth over a billion culled from it's > donors. So there will be a large splash of attention with little if any > collateral damage to NYPL. > > Bryant Park is usually crowded from the early afternoon on, so you could do > a lot of outreach there prior in conjunction if you would like. Mix of both > natives and tourists and it is public space. > > 2011/9/19 Conor Toms Reed <conortomasr...@gmail.com> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for sending this info out, Lisa!! This is exactly what a few > > people were suggesting yesterday in mapping out "pressure points" in the
> > financial district to target this week. Any chance we can have another CD > > discussion/training this week in anticipation of Friday? > > > What about getting in touch with USUncut folks who held teach-ins/parties > > in bank locations around NYC? How about we try to "adopt" a few bank lobbies > > on Wednesday? We can record flashmobs to boost online pizazz. > > > see y'all tonight, > > -Conor > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Lisa Fithian <fithi...@igc.org> wrote: > > >> Again**** > > >> Attached are some maps of industry players in Wall St and Mid-Town**** > > >> If you need other sites to visit. (Goldman is no longer at 85 Broad)*** > >> * > > >> ** ** > > >> The Partnership for New York City is an industry association of all the > >> wealthy players in NY - just off of Broadway not far from Staten Island > >> Ferry is a great place too!**** > > >> ** ** > > >>http://www.pfnyc.org/partners-list.html**** > > >> ** ** > > >> The Downtown Association rich peoples club just down the street from JP > >> Chase Plaza**** > > >>http://www.thedta.com/Default.aspx? p=DynamicModule&PageId=255381&ssid... > >> **** > > >> ** ** > > >> *Great Lobbies in WS area* > > >> ** **Duetche Bank on Wall Street multiple entrances including > >> subway**** > > >> ** **Winter Garden in the World Financial Center on the west > >> side**** > > >> ** **JP Morgan Chase Plaza subway accessible**** > > >> ** **Partnership Building **** >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> ** >> ** >> ** ** >> ** ** >> ** ** >> ** ** >> ** **
**ATT&T on Water Street**** **One Financial Plaza Wells Fargo & Morgan Stanley****
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Engel september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Mass Arrests near Union Square Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:54:30 PM
Yes! Somewhere between 60 and 100 people got arrested. One person was seriously injured and suffer a concussion. It was hours before they even said they will treat him. I witnessed 3 of the arrests. A friend of mine who is a fellow Wobblie got arrested. The cops completely ripped up his favorite T shirt. On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:32 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: I am happy to hear of all of your courage and bravery. The infection on my face is almost gone and I will return to the community soon. On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:29 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
lol they will be dissapointed: the swarm has no queen
On 09/24/11, Lauren<celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: They seem to have mostly targeted high visibility people. People who were very visible on the streams and all that. Probably figured they were leaders. They'll be disappointed. On Sep 24, 3:46 pm, Gabriel Johnson <gabj...@gmail.com> wrote: > http://gothamist.com/2011/09/24/video_five_more_arrested_on_8th_day.php > > what. the. heck. she is literally the last person i would have > expected them to arrest. > > --glj > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Amye R <amyeelizabe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just got off the phone with someone at Union Square. Mass arrests at union > > square. People were kettled into the street and then arrested. Police > > brutality and injuries were involved. As of now police are still bringing in > > reinforcements.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jason ahmadi september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Mass Arrests near Union Square Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:32:35 PM
I am happy to hear of all of your courage and bravery. The infection on my face is almost gone and I will return to the community soon. On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:29 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of jemcgloin@verizon.net september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Mass Arrests near Union Square Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:29:58 PM
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Snafu september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Mass Arrests near Union Square Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:26:24 PM
NYTimes coverage, currently linked from the homepage http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/24/80-arrested-as-financial-district-protest-moves-north/? hp On 9/24/11 4:10 PM, Lauren wrote: > They seem to have mostly targeted high visibility people. People who > were very visible on the streams and all that. Probably figured they > were leaders. > > They'll be disappointed. > > On Sep 24, 3:46 pm, Gabriel Johnson<gabj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> http://gothamist.com/2011/09/24/video_five_more_arrested_on_8th_day.php >> >> what. the. heck. she is literally the last person i would have >> expected them to arrest. >> >> --glj >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 3:40 PM, Amye R<amyeelizabe...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Just got off the phone with someone at Union Square. Mass arrests at union >>> square. People were kettled into the street and then arrested. Police >>> brutality and injuries were involved. As of now police are still bringing in >>> reinforcements.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Engel september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Mass Arrests near Union Square Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:55:03 PM
Also there was a picture of an arrest on the cover of the Daily News. On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Gabriel Engel <gengel2@gmail.com> wrote: Yes! Somewhere between 60 and 100 people got arrested. One person was seriously injured and suffer a concussion. It was hours before they even said they will treat him. I witnessed 3 of the arrests. A friend of mine who is a fellow Wobblie got arrested. The cops completely ripped up his favorite T shirt. On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:32 PM, jason ahmadi <jason.ahmadi@gmail.com> wrote: I am happy to hear of all of your courage and bravery. The infection on my face is almost gone and I will return to the community soon. On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:29 PM, <jemcgloin@verizon.net> wrote:
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Media Center Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:36:01 PM
Paper Tiger or DCTV might be willing to donate space if you need it: http://papertiger.org/ or http://www.dctvny.org/ On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: There is another generator coming soon, donation from Michigan. I like the idea of having a dry, inside media center, but I think it's important to keep the outside one too. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 21, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Glenn Daniels Jr <glenndanielsjr@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for all of the suggestions! I'll look into the locations ya'll > mentioned. If you make any headway with the owners of the > establishment feel free to shoot me an email or a tweet > (@lemonsandkiwi) > > On Sep 20, 9:46 pm, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> There is also Hive at 55http://hiveat55.com/I may have an in there-- let >> me know it is on 55 Broad which could be strategic. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:41 PM, <jemcgl...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> I don't really know anything about the place but there is a little >>> theatre called the 3LD Art & Technology Center, at 80 Greenwhich Str. I >>> breifly spoke to someone there and they seemed receptive to our occupation. >>> I can't get to the city right now, but if some else wanted to contact them >>> it might be worth the try. (When I was there they were rehearsing a play on >>> the sidewalk.) >> >>> On 09/20/11, Glenn Daniels Jr<glenndaniel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
Hey guys. I was contacted by @danfitzsimmons who suggested setting up a center for media at one of the local businesses near Zuccotti. I think this is a brilliant idea. I'm not in New York now but my friend and I plan to make it back up this weekend to continue filming the occupation. Although I was able to post up a video using WiFi, it took several attempts after the internet connection failed again and again, so it is important that the media group has a stable location that can also be something of a safe haven from the NYPD. I would appreciate it if during the next General Assembly if someone could propose this idea or present it to the Media Working Group. Additionally, I gave an announcement during the GA on Sunday about swapping emails and contact info so all those involved in making media could stay in touch. Unfortunately I had to leave before I could follow through with this. What is the status of the Media Working Group and can anyone give me the contact info of the person(s) spearheading these issues? I also talked to several people about creating a possible YouTube channel where everyone's videos can be posted. "NYCRevolutionMedia" was one named that everyone liked. Or perhaps, creating one Tumblr account that can reblog all OccupyWallSt-related media so it can be present on one site. Have there been steps to create something like this?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Justin Wedes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Media Center Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:17:37 PM
There is another generator coming soon, donation from Michigan. I like the idea of having a dry, inside media center, but I think it's important to keep the outside one too. Justin Wedes Activist & Educator, Brooklyn Use your voice! Web: www.OurSchoolsNYC.org Twitter: NYCPubSchooler ~ There's something going on in the Islands... Check it out at USUncut.org/yeslab ~ On Sep 21, 2011, at 7:48 PM, Glenn Daniels Jr <glenndanielsjr@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for all of the suggestions! I'll look into the locations ya'll > mentioned. If you make any headway with the owners of the > establishment feel free to shoot me an email or a tweet > (@lemonsandkiwi) > > On Sep 20, 9:46 pm, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> There is also Hive at 55http://hiveat55.com/I may have an in there-- let >> me know it is on 55 Broad which could be strategic. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 9:41 PM, <jemcgl...@verizon.net> wrote: >>> I don't really know anything about the place but there is a little >>> theatre called the 3LD Art & Technology Center, at 80 Greenwhich Str. I >>> breifly spoke to someone there and they seemed receptive to our occupation. >>> I can't get to the city right now, but if some else wanted to contact them >>> it might be worth the try. (When I was there they were rehearsing a play on >>> the sidewalk.) >> >>> On 09/20/11, Glenn Daniels Jr<glenndaniel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hey guys. I was contacted by @danfitzsimmons who suggested setting up >>> a center for media at one of the local businesses near Zuccotti. I >>> think this is a brilliant idea. I'm not in New York now but my friend >>> and I plan to make it back up this weekend to continue filming the >>> occupation. Although I was able to post up a video using WiFi, it took >>> several attempts after the internet connection failed again and again, >>> so it is important that the media group has a stable location that can >>> also be something of a safe haven from the NYPD. I would appreciate it >>> if during the next General Assembly if someone could propose this idea >>> or present it to the Media Working Group. >>
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
Additionally, I gave an announcement during the GA on Sunday about swapping emails and contact info so all those involved in making media could stay in touch. Unfortunately I had to leave before I could follow through with this. What is the status of the Media Working Group and can anyone give me the contact info of the person(s) spearheading these issues? I also talked to several people about creating a possible YouTube channel where everyone's videos can be posted. "NYCRevolutionMedia" was one named that everyone liked. Or perhaps, creating one Tumblr account that can reblog all OccupyWallSt-related media so it can be present on one site. Have there been steps to create something like this?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of grimwomyn september17 Re: [september17discuss] Re: Outreach Monday, September 19, 2011 11:40:00 AM
in the style of having the paper over their face in some way so they can't be immediately recognized. On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:38 AM, gwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: Also, for a street action, I thought it might be good to go around with a mobile phone, sharpies and paper and ask people to write down why they are the 99%, take their photo and send it to the wearethe99percent tumblr and cross post on all other media as well.... NYC natives are TOTALLY behind this in everyway as we have to deal with Wall Street types in every area of our lives and the people who work for those institutions are as douchy as the missions that they serve, and everyone you will meet on the street has an amazing story. It will really resonate with people across the country/world as well, who are all watching this intensely and supporting us with their hearts, minds, dreams, wishes, and hopes. If I can get a twitter list of people doing this and they just send the photos to their twitter streams I will take care of sending to the 99% tumblr so that they all wind up at the right place with minimal effort. -priscilla On Sep 19, 11:24 am, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > I wont be able to make a meeting today-- but I am down for anything during > the day during this week, just let me know. Also, any action at that > conference will be covered by all the internets as it is being held by > Mashable-- make it loud, peaceful and proud. > > mucho amor to all of you-priscilla > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:21 AM, MAd Hatter <progressivecha...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > Yes. We need to do outreach... This looks good. > > Is anybody up for an outreach meeting later today? We need a flyer > > and we need to be talking to the 99%. > > > On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > What does the group think about going to this conference for outreach and > > > publicity to call people downtown?http://mashable.com/sgs/possible
> > action > > > there since there are so many corporate sponsors?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of MAd Hatter september17@googlegroups.com C_G; Justine Re: [september17discuss] Re: Possible "Counter Protest" Friday, September 23, 2011 11:27:10 AM
Justin, That would be great. But in the meantime would you please tweet the march we have planned for tomorrow @12pm. Thanks! On Friday, September 23, 2011, Justin Wedes <jwedes@gmail.com> wrote: > Let's all take a breath. If this isn't organized by sympathizers, it should be coopted by us! > What a beautiful piece of street theatre. > And the facebook event: > https://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=127034944063832 > -justin > On Sep 23, 2011, at 10:59 AM, C_G wrote: > > You two are the people I imagine would be most likely to get this e-mail. There might be a counter-protest today. We need to warn people against any muffins as well. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------> Date: Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 10:49 AM > Subject: Possible "Counter Protest" > To: cunderscoreg@gmail.com > > > http://gawker.com/5843209/snobby-illiteraterati-to-protest-wall-st-hippies-withchampagne-toast > I don't know if this will actually happen, but it can't hurt to be wary of any muffins circulating this afternoon. > Peace, > Dayna > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 4:52:11 PM
I agree with Harrison. Focus on what we already have, improve the General Assembly, produce literature about it and how it works. Improve the infrastructure of the encampment. Make this place something beautiful and inviting. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> wrote: We haven't been able to come up with a single demand and I highly doubt we will because the system of oppression we are fighting isn't that simple. Trying to come up with a single demand hasn't worked and I suggest we try a new approach rather than spend more time bickering. Rather than issue a demand, rather than attempt to hold banksters and corrupt politicians accountable I suggest that we state common purpose: to create a new start for this country and the world by building a new free and just community right underneath the corrupt source of our failed society...or something like this...It's precisely and exactly what we've been doing these past few days in my opinion. A little Utopian inspiration will get us a lot farther than more angry rhetoric, there's nothing revolutionary about the later... Harrison
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote: The Union Square area is like a big shopping mall, and most of the people I've seen passing through the area in recent years, especially on weekends, looked relatively well off to me. The park itself is always so congested with people trying to push or peddle one thing or another, that almost all activities just get buried there, and it is such an everyday occurrence for some small group to be there shouting one thing or another, that unless you've got real numbers, you're more likely not to be noticed. On Sep 20, 11:33 am, Mellow Yellow <disorganiz...@gmail.com> wrote: > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity with > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence. > > Just my two cents. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com>wrote: >
> > > > > > > > But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall > > St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be > > much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if > > we lost the connection to Wall St. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganiz...@gmail.com>wrote: > > >> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central > >> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will > >> frustrate Police efforts to follow. > > >> See you oguys there as soon as I can > > >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.pre...@gmail.com > >> > wrote: > > >>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was > >>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the > >>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as > >>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. > > >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery > >>>> Park? > > >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am > >>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:13:08 PM
Ok. I can't really respond to all of this. I speak as a member of the GA. I'm always clear about that. Thus far we have not reached a consensus or a vote on whether or not to have demands. Yesterday, we did begin a discussion on principles of unity. Marisa On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with Harrison. Focus on what we already have, improve the General > Assembly, produce literature about it and how it works. Improve > the infrastructure of the encampment. Make this place something beautiful > and inviting. > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> > wrote: >> >> We haven't been able to come up with a single demand and I highly doubt we >> will because the system of oppression we are fighting isn't that simple. >> Trying to come up with a single demand hasn't worked and I suggest we try a >> new approach rather than spend more time bickering. >> Rather than issue a demand, rather than attempt to hold banksters and >> corrupt politicians accountable I suggest that we state common purpose: to >> create a new start for this country and the world by building a new free and >> just community right underneath the corrupt source of our failed >> society...or something like this...It's precisely and exactly what we've >> been doing these past few days in my opinion. A little Utopian inspiration >> will get us a lot farther than more angry rhetoric, there's nothing >> revolutionary about the later... >> Harrison >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>> The Union Square area is like a big shopping mall, and most of the >>> people I've seen passing through the area in recent years, especially >>> on weekends, looked relatively well off to me. The park itself is >>> always so congested with people trying to push or peddle one thing or >>> another, that almost all activities just get buried there, and it is >>> such an everyday occurrence for some small group to be there shouting >>> one thing or another, that unless you've got real numbers, you're more >>> likely not to be noticed. >>> >>> On Sep 20, 11:33 am, Mellow Yellow <disorganiz...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity >>> > with >>> > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be >>> > more >>> > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the >>> > event >>> > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more
>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>
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noted amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence. Just my two cents. On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > > >
But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if we lost the connection to Wall St.
> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow > <disorganiz...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >> >> >> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will frustrate Police efforts to follow.
>> See you oguys there as soon as I can >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto >> <matthew.pre...@gmail.com >> > wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location.
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or >>>> Battery >>>> Park? >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza >>>>> around 7am >>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?
>> > >
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Marisa Holmes september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 5:17:31 PM
I totally agree that we need to clarify what it is we're about. This needs to be decided on by the GA. Marisa On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Marisa Holmes <marisaholmes@gmail.com> wrote: > Ok. I can't really respond to all of this. > I speak as a member of the GA. > I'm always clear about that. > Thus far we have not reached a consensus > or a vote on whether or not to have demands. > Yesterday, we did begin a discussion > on principles of unity. > > Marisa > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Drew Hornbein <dhornbein@gmail.com> wrote: >> I agree with Harrison. Focus on what we already have, improve the General >> Assembly, produce literature about it and how it works. Improve >> the infrastructure of the encampment. Make this place something beautiful >> and inviting. >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Harrison Schultz <schuh072@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> We haven't been able to come up with a single demand and I highly doubt we >>> will because the system of oppression we are fighting isn't that simple. >>> Trying to come up with a single demand hasn't worked and I suggest we try a >>> new approach rather than spend more time bickering. >>> Rather than issue a demand, rather than attempt to hold banksters and >>> corrupt politicians accountable I suggest that we state common purpose: to >>> create a new start for this country and the world by building a new free and >>> just community right underneath the corrupt source of our failed >>> society...or something like this...It's precisely and exactly what we've >>> been doing these past few days in my opinion. A little Utopian inspiration >>> will get us a lot farther than more angry rhetoric, there's nothing >>> revolutionary about the later... >>> Harrison >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> The Union Square area is like a big shopping mall, and most of the >>>> people I've seen passing through the area in recent years, especially >>>> on weekends, looked relatively well off to me. The park itself is >>>> always so congested with people trying to push or peddle one thing or >>>> another, that almost all activities just get buried there, and it is >>>> such an everyday occurrence for some small group to be there shouting >>>> one thing or another, that unless you've got real numbers, you're more >>>> likely not to be noticed. >>>>
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>
On Sep 20, 11:33 am, Mellow Yellow <disorganiz...@gmail.com> wrote: > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity > with > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be > more > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the > event > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more > noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical > presence. > > Just my two cents. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen > <dougsing...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > > > > But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target > > Wall > > St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It > > would be > > much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the > > encampment if > > we lost the connection to Wall St. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow > > <disorganiz...@gmail.com>wrote: > > >> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is > >> central > >> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up > >> Broadway will > >> frustrate Police efforts to follow. > > >> See you oguys there as soon as I can > > >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto > >> <matthew.pre...@gmail.com > >> > wrote: > > >>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that > >>> if was > >>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined > >>> by the > >>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as > >>> soon as > >>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. > > >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > > >>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or > >>>> Battery
>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
> > > > > > > >
>>>> Park? >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza >>>>> around 7am >>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Harrison Schultz september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Rumor to be confirmed - NYPD Tuesday, September 20, 2011 3:31:31 PM
We haven't been able to come up with a single demand and I highly doubt we will because the system of oppression we are fighting isn't that simple. Trying to come up with a single demand hasn't worked and I suggest we try a new approach rather than spend more time bickering. Rather than issue a demand, rather than attempt to hold banksters and corrupt politicians accountable I suggest that we state common purpose: to create a new start for this country and the world by building a new free and just community right underneath the corrupt source of our failed society...or something like this...It's precisely and exactly what we've been doing these past few days in my opinion. A little Utopian inspiration will get us a lot farther than more angry rhetoric, there's nothing revolutionary about the later... Harrison
On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote: The Union Square area is like a big shopping mall, and most of the people I've seen passing through the area in recent years, especially on weekends, looked relatively well off to me. The park itself is always so congested with people trying to push or peddle one thing or another, that almost all activities just get buried there, and it is such an everyday occurrence for some small group to be there shouting one thing or another, that unless you've got real numbers, you're more likely not to be noticed. On Sep 20, 11:33 am, Mellow Yellow <disorganiz...@gmail.com> wrote: > Union Square has the significance of being a central hub of activity with > many everyday people as well as homeless and young people who might be more > ready to join us. This is an outreach and tactical suggestion, in the event > we are up-rooted from liberty plaza. Police brutality will be more noted > amongst New Yorkers at union Sq than by tourists near wall street. Our > message should focus on Wall Street still, if not our physical presence. > > Just my two cents. > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Doug Singsen <dougsing...@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > > > >
> > But Union Square has no political significance. It wouldn't target Wall > > St., it would just annoy the people who use it on a daily basis. It would be > > much harder to attract broad layers of new people to join the encampment if > > we lost the connection to Wall St. > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Mellow Yellow <disorganiz...@gmail.com>wrote: > > >> I would strongly advise marching to Union Square & Occupy. It is central > >> enough to gather more support from passers-by. A long march up Broadway will > >> frustrate Police efforts to follow. > > >> See you oguys there as soon as I can > > >> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:20 AM, Matthew Presto <matthew.pre...@gmail.com > >> > wrote: > > >>> The contingency plan which reached consensus on Saturday was that if was > >>> necessary to move to a new location, that space would be determined by the > >>> tactical committee, and word would be spread to everyone there as soon as > >>> need be. The tactical committee has determined the next location. > > >>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 7:03 AM, grimwomyn <grimwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>> If that is true what abt a move to the Titanic Memorial Park or Battery > >>>> Park? > > >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 4:02 AM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> NYPD may have been given permission to vacate liberty plaza around 7am > >>>>> using vagrancy laws, anyone can confirm?
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Drew Hornbein september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Take a Census! Wednesday, September 21, 2011 1:55:55 AM
This is a great idea. Can someone tweet @NYC_GA nightly census data? -Drew On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 12:22 AM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: And the Guitar in Egypt, the Zither in Greece, the Fiddle in Iran, it doesn't mean they're not an integral part of other cultures today as well is all I meant.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Ellen Davidson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Take a Census! Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:20:03 AM
Actually, Lauren, the banjo originated in Africa. Ellen
On 09/20/11, Lauren<celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: No, count of sleepers seems to be 200-300 with a mid 20s median from the first reply I got. So I guess slight increase. The 500 was around 8 or 9 so was probably from earlier. I'll try to triangulate, honestly it's hard to do this at night. Also we got a rather stupid troll complaining about weird foreign musical instruments and hippies (the only instruments I've seen mentioned being a banjo >.> what is more american than a banjo) so sorry if it seems like I'm taking it out on you for the hippie thing. On Sep 20, 11:35 pm, Chuck Schumer <csr2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks, Lauren. Sorry for the redundancy of tweeting and emailing (thanks > for responding over both media). Was the 500 count of sleepers? > > > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I got 192 for yesterday and about 500 today. However I do agree with > > the gist, even if I personally think anyone who complains about > > hippies and was born after the 50s should stop acting like they're in > > the 60s as I doubt they've even ever seen hippies >.> > > > On Sep 20, 11:27 pm, Chuck Schumer <csr2...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hey Gang, > > > I think it is extremely important that we take a census of the > > occupation. > > > This should be done during the evening, when only sleepers remain (and > > the > > > numbers would be lowest, but most representative of the sustained > > > occupation). This should be AT LEAST a headcount, so we can track the > > > numbers. I recall seeing on twitter that Monday night there were 162 > > > sleepers. We need to know if this number is growing or not. > > > Ideally, that count could also include other basic demographics like age > > and > > > education. Knowing median age could help dispel the myth of the "college > > > hippie" and "young radical." Geographical origin would also be > > interesting > > > to know. > > > Cheers, solidarity, and see you on the streets! Slept out Saturday night, > > > visited Sunday and Monday, and I'll be back whenever I have a free
> > moment.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Chuck Schumer september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: Take a Census! Tuesday, September 20, 2011 11:36:01 PM
Thanks, Lauren. Sorry for the redundancy of tweeting and emailing (thanks for responding over both media). Was the 500 count of sleepers? On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 11:29 PM, Lauren <celliwig@gmail.com> wrote: I got 192 for yesterday and about 500 today. However I do agree with the gist, even if I personally think anyone who complains about hippies and was born after the 50s should stop acting like they're in the 60s as I doubt they've even ever seen hippies >.> On Sep 20, 11:27 pm, Chuck Schumer <csr2...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey Gang, > I think it is extremely important that we take a census of the occupation. > This should be done during the evening, when only sleepers remain (and the > numbers would be lowest, but most representative of the sustained > occupation). This should be AT LEAST a headcount, so we can track the > numbers. I recall seeing on twitter that Monday night there were 162 > sleepers. We need to know if this number is growing or not. > Ideally, that count could also include other basic demographics like age and > education. Knowing median age could help dispel the myth of the "college > hippie" and "young radical." Geographical origin would also be interesting > to know. > Cheers, solidarity, and see you on the streets! Slept out Saturday night, > visited Sunday and Monday, and I'll be back whenever I have a free moment.
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:04:50 PM
okay just trying to help from afar. I'm too distant to deliver, what is the best (secure) way to send a (modest) financial contribution?? On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: Well, as a 19 year old (and relatively new to this protest scene), I do agree with Richard's point; it is a minor thing, but certainly an important one. On the topic of port-a-potties: Eh maybe, but probably not? We have somewhat sufficient bathroom facilites from the restaurants in the area, and getting a company to rent to us when we are a non-totally-permitted action might be difficult. Things we need other than on this [http://redd.it/kjp1i] list (as of an hour ago, when I left to take a quick break): Paper towels and a broom (and probably dustpan). (Grim, is that still accurate?) Know you guys are still standing strong; I'll be back soon. --glj On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:49 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh Gawd. The Tar Sands and so many other climate actions I've been to, > everyone is complaining there are too many of us old people, and not enough > young. Can't we just get together, in an effort to avert the worst of all > the various converging catastrophes engineered by the wealthy and their > corporations that shield them from liability for the damage they create > without losing momentum by complaining at each other?? > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Nice video, Nathan. But I am not crazy about your description of the >> GA in the beginning as "a group of young activists in New York." Do >> you see the problem with this? I've sort of dropped out of the core >> organizing, but I was involved and I am going to be 50 soon. And I >> know there are several other people who have been to the organizing >> GAs, some who are very involved in this, who are older than I am. Of >> course, there are not enough older people, and that is one of the big >> problems here, because if this is perceived as being exclusively a >> youth group, that will certainly limit outreach. And it is not going >> to help if you publicly characterize the group as "young activists." >> >> One of the biggest problems I've had as an unemployed person seeking >> work is the ageism that is rampant in the "job market." It is >> unbelievable how blatant and ubiquitous this is. And I think a larger >> number of older people would be drawn to an oppositional movement or >> movement of resistance if that movement did not replicate such ageism >> in its own approach, language, self descriptions, etc., and actually >> even sought to address this particular problem. >> >> Richard >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
On Sep 18, 10:55 am, Nathan Schneider <nat...@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: > A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or > whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a > few hours! > > http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-begins-and-impr... > > Nathan > >> Nathan Schneider > Editor, Waging Nonviolencehttp://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Tarak Kauff september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:03:46 PM
I know what you're talking about as far as agism Richard, but it also works both ways. I'm also (well) over 50 in years but I didn't have any problem with the emphasis on youth, in fact I was delighted to see so many young people out there, taking matters into their own hands I didn't feel anyone was excluded by age or by any other designation. Nathan's description was very accurate - it was predominantly "young activists" - more power to them. I started my activist career during the sixties and we mostly were young then and at the leading edge as are these kids are today. I watched them organize and manifest all day yesterday and at a few of the general assemblies in Tompkins Square with admiration. I was there with a number of older very active friends who have been organizing and doing civil resistance for years (I'm with Veterans For Peace) and we didn't have any problem there, nor with Nathan's excellent reporting. I hope they flood Freedom PLaza in October. We need their energy, skills and enthusiasm. Tarak Kauff steering commitee www.october2011.org On Sep 18, 2011, at 6:43 PM, Richard S. wrote: Nice video, Nathan. But I am not crazy about your description of the GA in the beginning as "a group of young activists in New York." Do you see the problem with this? I've sort of dropped out of the core organizing, but I was involved and I am going to be 50 soon. And I know there are several other people who have been to the organizing GAs, some who are very involved in this, who are older than I am. Of course, there are not enough older people, and that is one of the big problems here, because if this is perceived as being exclusively a youth group, that will certainly limit outreach. And it is not going to help if you publicly characterize the group as "young activists." One of the biggest problems I've had as an unemployed person seeking work is the ageism that is rampant in the "job market." It is unbelievable how blatant and ubiquitous this is. And I think a larger number of older people would be drawn to an oppositional movement or movement of resistance if that movement did not replicate such ageism in its own approach, language, self descriptions, etc., and actually even sought to address this particular problem. Richard On Sep 18, 10:55 am, Nathan Schneider <nat...@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: > A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or > whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a > few hours! >
> > > > > > > >
http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-begins-andimpr... Nathan Nathan Schneider Editor, Waging Nonviolencehttp://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:59:18 PM
Well, as a 19 year old (and relatively new to this protest scene), I do agree with Richard's point; it is a minor thing, but certainly an important one. On the topic of port-a-potties: Eh maybe, but probably not? We have somewhat sufficient bathroom facilites from the restaurants in the area, and getting a company to rent to us when we are a non-totally-permitted action might be difficult. Things we need other than on this [http://redd.it/kjp1i] list (as of an hour ago, when I left to take a quick break): Paper towels and a broom (and probably dustpan). (Grim, is that still accurate?) Know you guys are still standing strong; I'll be back soon. --glj On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:49 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > Oh Gawd. The Tar Sands and so many other climate actions I've been to, > everyone is complaining there are too many of us old people, and not enough > young. Can't we just get together, in an effort to avert the worst of all > the various converging catastrophes engineered by the wealthy and their > corporations that shield them from liability for the damage they create > without losing momentum by complaining at each other?? > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> Nice video, Nathan. But I am not crazy about your description of the >> GA in the beginning as "a group of young activists in New York." Do >> you see the problem with this? I've sort of dropped out of the core >> organizing, but I was involved and I am going to be 50 soon. And I >> know there are several other people who have been to the organizing >> GAs, some who are very involved in this, who are older than I am. Of >> course, there are not enough older people, and that is one of the big >> problems here, because if this is perceived as being exclusively a >> youth group, that will certainly limit outreach. And it is not going >> to help if you publicly characterize the group as "young activists." >> >> One of the biggest problems I've had as an unemployed person seeking >> work is the ageism that is rampant in the "job market." It is >> unbelievable how blatant and ubiquitous this is. And I think a larger >> number of older people would be drawn to an oppositional movement or >> movement of resistance if that movement did not replicate such ageism >> in its own approach, language, self descriptions, etc., and actually >> even sought to address this particular problem. >> >> Richard >> >> On Sep 18, 10:55 am, Nathan Schneider <nat...@wagingnonviolence.org> >> wrote: >> > A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or >> > whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a >> > few hours! >> > >> > http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-begins-and-impr... >> > >> > Nathan
>> >> >> >> > >
> >> Nathan Schneider > Editor, Waging Nonviolencehttp://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of gail zawacki september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises Sunday, September 18, 2011 6:49:41 PM
Oh Gawd. The Tar Sands and so many other climate actions I've been to, everyone is complaining there are too many of us old people, and not enough young. Can't we just get together, in an effort to avert the worst of all the various converging catastrophes engineered by the wealthy and their corporations that shield them from liability for the damage they create - without losing momentum by complaining at each other?? On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com> wrote: Nice video, Nathan. But I am not crazy about your description of the GA in the beginning as "a group of young activists in New York." Do you see the problem with this? I've sort of dropped out of the core organizing, but I was involved and I am going to be 50 soon. And I know there are several other people who have been to the organizing GAs, some who are very involved in this, who are older than I am. Of course, there are not enough older people, and that is one of the big problems here, because if this is perceived as being exclusively a youth group, that will certainly limit outreach. And it is not going to help if you publicly characterize the group as "young activists." One of the biggest problems I've had as an unemployed person seeking work is the ageism that is rampant in the "job market." It is unbelievable how blatant and ubiquitous this is. And I think a larger number of older people would be drawn to an oppositional movement or movement of resistance if that movement did not replicate such ageism in its own approach, language, self descriptions, etc., and actually even sought to address this particular problem. Richard On Sep 18, 10:55 am, Nathan Schneider <nat...@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: > A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or > whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a > few hours! > > http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-begins-and-impr... > > Nathan > >> Nathan Schneider > Editor, Waging Nonviolencehttp://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Gabriel Johnson september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: WNV video: #OccupyWallStreet begins, and improvises Sunday, September 18, 2011 7:24:53 PM
Oh, yes; thanks very much! Something that I've seen and know is controlled by a legit guy is the food donation thin: https://www.wepay.com/donate/99275 . I'm not sure if we are spending it on anything other than food, but it is certainly a good place to start. --glj On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 7:04 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: > okay just trying to help from afar. I'm too distant to deliver, what is the > best (secure) way to send a (modest) financial contribution?? > > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Gabriel Johnson <gabjoh2@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Well, as a 19 year old (and relatively new to this protest scene), I >> do agree with Richard's point; it is a minor thing, but certainly an >> important one. On the topic of port-a-potties: Eh maybe, but probably >> not? We have somewhat sufficient bathroom facilites from the >> restaurants in the area, and getting a company to rent to us when we >> are a non-totally-permitted action might be difficult. Things we need >> other than on this [http://redd.it/kjp1i] list (as of an hour ago, >> when I left to take a quick break): Paper towels and a broom (and >> probably dustpan). (Grim, is that still accurate?) Know you guys are >> still standing strong; I'll be back soon. >> >> --glj >> >> On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:49 PM, gail zawacki <witsendnj@gmail.com> wrote: >> > Oh Gawd. The Tar Sands and so many other climate actions I've been to, >> > everyone is complaining there are too many of us old people, and not >> > enough >> > young. Can't we just get together, in an effort to avert the worst of >> > all >> > the various converging catastrophes engineered by the wealthy and their >> > corporations that shield them from liability for the damage they create >> > >> > without losing momentum by complaining at each other?? >> > >> > On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:43 PM, Richard S. <chardsinger@yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Nice video, Nathan. But I am not crazy about your description of the >> >> GA in the beginning as "a group of young activists in New York." Do >> >> you see the problem with this? I've sort of dropped out of the core >> >> organizing, but I was involved and I am going to be 50 soon. And I >> >> know there are several other people who have been to the organizing >> >> GAs, some who are very involved in this, who are older than I am. Of >> >> course, there are not enough older people, and that is one of the big >> >> problems here, because if this is perceived as being exclusively a >> >> youth group, that will certainly limit outreach. And it is not going >> >> to help if you publicly characterize the group as "young activists." >> >> >> >> One of the biggest problems I've had as an unemployed person seeking
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work is the ageism that is rampant in the "job market." It is unbelievable how blatant and ubiquitous this is. And I think a larger number of older people would be drawn to an oppositional movement or movement of resistance if that movement did not replicate such ageism in its own approach, language, self descriptions, etc., and actually even sought to address this particular problem. Richard On Sep 18, 10:55 am, Nathan Schneider <nat...@wagingnonviolence.org> wrote: > A bit of video from yesterday. Will try to fix the aspect ratio or > whatever you call it. Thanks to all who spoke with us! See you in a > few hours! > > > http://wagingnonviolence.org/2011/09/occupywallstreet-begins-and-impr... > > Nathan > >> Nathan Schneider > Editor, Waging Nonviolencehttp://wagingnonviolence.org
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Kelley Wolcott september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] Re: WTC Workers Visit Liberty Square Today Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:30:49 PM
Yay! Great news and their union affiliations are posted at the site. The concrete pourers might be the best to reach out, as they just went on strike back in August over the developers attempt to cut their pay by up to 20% in their last contract negotiation. Maybe that's a good talking point too. Not to mention citizens are paying for the construction of the Freedom monstrosity by astronomically hiking tolls. Bridge and tunnelers are pissed about that guaranteed. -K! On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Will <william.russell.v@gmail.com> wrote: Great Lauren, Sorry I missed your comment before. Hopefully they'll stop by again so we can talk to them more about this. Who has pictures from Wednesday? On Sep 22, 1:35 am, Lauren <celli...@gmail.com> wrote: > Seconded, I barely got wind of it. I know the union that staged a > walkout earlier was the Cement League however. > > On Sep 22, 1:08 am, Will <william.russel...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > So reports are that there was a massive presence of construction > > workers from the World Trade Center site who visited the occupation > > today and lots of people talked with them and gave them flyers. This > > is great, but I really hope that somebody felt it was important enough > > to ask them what union(s) they were a part of. I also hope someone > > had the foresight to get pictures on social media and this story out > > the the media in general. The symbolic nature of this visit is huge, > > and I haven't seen anything in any media or even anyone's fb about > > it. Let's get this out there! > > > Will
september17@googlegroups.com on behalf of Micah White september17@googlegroups.com Re: [september17discuss] real delivery address Monday, September 19, 2011 3:07:23 PM
or maybe someone can run down to a Mailboxes Etc and open an account. There is one .5 miles from Zuccotti Park. Maybe there is somewhere even closer? Micah On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 11:56 AM, grimwomyn <grimwomyn@gmail.com> wrote: I bet if you talked to these folks: http://nwc.co/ you could get a delivery spot for cheap or free, and they are located in chinatown, not far from liberty. On Sep 19, 2011 2:54 PM, "Micah White" <micahmwhite@gmail.com> wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Can we get a real address that can take deliveries from UPS/Fedex/USPS/DHL? > Need a place with someone who will be there to sign for things, if > necessary. > > This would make it a lot easier for the internet to send supplies... > > Micah

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This'll all make good 1st amendment police bait too! H.

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That's beautiful. Should there be an evening GA on the schedule?

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+1 this is great! On Sep 20, 2011, at 10:13 PM, jemcgloin@verizon.net wrote:

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