PSA Tammy Morgan OPR 09-029 Holstine: This is Sergeant Paul Holstine of the Bullhead City Police Department

Office of Professional Responsibility. Present with me is Tammy Morgan and you are Tammy Morgan are you not? Morgan: Yes. H: And were at the Office of Professional Responsibility at 8:34 a.m. on the 29th of September, 2009 to interview for OPR number 09-029. Tammy heres a duplicate copy of the Notice of Administrative Investigation that I sent you. Have you uh reviewed your notice and are you familiar with the allegation and the contents of the notice? M: Yes H: . Okay and do you understand your specific rights and responsibilities in this investigation? M: I read what they said, do I understand them, well no, not really but. (Laughter in voice). H: M: H: M: H: What part do you un, what part do you not understand? Ive never done this before so I dont know really what this is. (Laughter). Do you, do you need to review your rights and responsibilities, uh? Yeah just kinda just, I dont know, yeah, no Im (laughter). Okay youre being compelled by a Bullhead City Police Department Supervisor to truthfully answer questions relating to your duties or conduct. You can be disciplined up to and including dismissal for refusal to answer these questions. Do you, is that clear?

M: Yeah H:

thats clear. Okay, questions, test or examinations will be specifically related to your performance or fitness for duty. Clear?

M: Clear. H: Any such statements, test or examination results can be used against you in a disciplinary/Administrative/civil proceeding but will not be used against you in a criminal proceeding. Clear? M: Clear. H: Voluntary statements, confessions or untruthful statements by you about conduct unrelated to this investigation may be admissible in any subsequent criminal action. Clear? M: Clear. H: Any false, deception or misleading statements you made, you make may lead to additional discipline up to and including dismissal as well as possible suspension or revocation of your Arizona Post Peace Officer Certification. M: H: M: H: Which I dont have, sure, okay. Okay so uh is all that clear? Yeah, I, I just, I didnt read it. Alright do, uh alright so based on what I just read you, do you un, understand your specific rights and responsibilities?

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. In this investigation? . Do you have any questions about your specific rights and responsibilities in this investigation?

M: No. H: Okay, alright then sign there to acknowledge that. (Pause) and as you have no doubt (pen clicking) discovered (pause) this uh complaint was based on uh hearsay from um Officer Jamie Crawford who was concerned about some of the things she says that you told her and thats what generated this complaint. In other words if the thing, if, if what she says is true and what you told her is true etcetera, etcetera then there would be misconduct involved in that so the first thing we need to, to get into is, uh, Ive got a long memo from her which is summarized (some kind of interference) and condensed in this uh, uh the allegation section of the notice and well just go through that point by point and discuss um what it is, you know, the differences between what you told her and what she perceived if there are such differences and if these things are true, how uh, whether, uh whether we need to investigate them or not, whether theyre, whether theyre misconduct or not if true. And (sounds like pen clicking) lets see, okay so, the first (pause) point in this memo which if it were true would amount to misconduct and thats how I boiled this down, as I went through and triaged it and went, okay, theres a lot of stuff in here. Obviously its no, its not news to me or you that youre going through a tough time personally but there are certain things that the Department is and is not interested in. Ah and is or is not able to take any action on as far as what somebody does in their personal life. M: Thats fine.

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So the first point area is uh according to Jamie Crawford she received information from you indicating that while Marion Morgan was working for Sergeant Best, Marion was asked about a relationship with Lori Battey and Marion lied to Sergeant Best about it. Um first of all did you have a discussion about that subject at all with uh Jamie Crawford?

M: Yes H: M:

. Okay and is that an accurate depiction of what you told her about it? Well actually it all came about when she showed me the memo that she gave to, I guess Sergeant Gillman.

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Okay the memo about her hearing rumors about Marions relationship through a school child or something like that?

M: Yeah. H: M: Yeah, right so, um, So that memo when she brought that to me and I read it and she said that she confronted Marion and he had lied to her and I asked her if she knew about him being asked by Sergeant Best about the relationship and she said no she didnt know anything about it. And so, yeah I said he lied. H: M: H: What did you say to her? I said he lied. Uh you said he lied to Sergeant Best?

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I said that uh okay (laughter in voice) Sergeant Best and Sergeant Messina told me which I didnt even know that he, they had asked him, at least Sergeant Best and Otero had asked him if there was a relationship with him and Battey and he said no. Captain Moss told me something that was asked in a different way but at the time when I talked to (pause) Crawford it was that he was asked, Did you have, are you having an affair? So thats when I said yeah he lied, that was a lie.

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Okay so what were, what, tell me about the conversations that you had with Sergeant Best and, and how they apply to this uh whether or not he, he lied to Sergeant Best about his relationship.

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Because um me and Sergeant Messina were talking and he was asking how I was doing, how were people treating me, whats going on and then um we were discussing about um I guess Marion moving from his shift and Sergeant Messina made a comment that um well, you know, Marion was asked if he was having an affair with Battey or if there was a relationship with Battey and I said what, (Laughter) well what are you talking about? And he goes well yeah, Sergeant Best had asked him so when Best came in I said well whats all this Im hearing? And he goes well during the time um there were rumors that an Officer was having an affair with a Dispatcher and so we asked him because the shift was having complaints about what was going on and saying that they were getting all kinds of calls and he doesnt seem to be getting them so um they were concerned with his um work and had asked him that question and that he said no.

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He said no to what? He said no that there wasnt a relationship with him and Battey. Okay so did you take that to mean that he had been untruthful with uh Sergeant Best and/or whoever else asked him about that?

M: Right. H: Did Sergeant Best ever tell you that he; his opinion was that Marion had been untruthful with him? M: Well Sergeant Best said he doesnt know because he doesnt have facts. He doesnt have evidence and I told him, (laughter in voice) I said Sergeant I have uh e-mail that will show that he lied. H: Okay. M: And H: M: And do I have a copy of that e-mail? I dont think you have anything thats why I said if you need me to bring stuff. (Papers shuffling) where did you get all that? Oh, yeah, were did you get all that (laughter in voice). I know the card and yeah, thats Battey, yeah the card and the e-mail I gave to Crawford. H: M: Okay, alright, why did you give those to Crawford? Because she said that um he had lied and I said yeah he had lied and she said because Sergeant Best is saying that you know there wasnt, theres nothing you can really do anymore because hes not on his shift so she wanted them so I gave them to her. H: M: No. H: At that time? Is, so was Jamie conducting some sort of an investigation on Marion?

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Not that I was aware, we were just, we were talking about that, I said he lied. I believe that if you lie you need to be at least, you know, slapped on the wrist and move on. And its like

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Who did you say that to? Jamie, I said that to Jamie, I said that to Sergeant, I said that to the Lieutenant.

H: M: Sessions. H:

Okay which Lieutenant?

Okay, so the summary of this is, is your belief that he was untruthful with Sergeant Best and/or whoever asked him about this?

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Sergeant Best and Otero. And Otero and do, was he, do you have information that he was untruthful to Sergeant Messina or is Messina just repeating other peoples information?

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I, I dont believe he was asked by Messina but I dont know, I mean it didnt go into that, it just went into where he was confronted with when our whole shift was going through a bunch of garbage and I guess it all had to do with Marion (laughter) that I didnt know about.

H: Okay. M: (Sigh) H: So before we move on to this, move on past this; let me see if I got this straight. (Pause) you got information from Jamie Crawford about uh Marion that came through a school child or something.

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It was Lori Batteys niece. Yeah and you also received information from Sergeant Best?

Indicating that Marion was or was possibly untruthful to Best?

Okay (pause) about a relationship with Lori Battey?

And that Best had asked him about it?

You said Corporal Otero, was Corporal Otero part of this asking him about it?

M: Yes H:

. Okay (pause) and its, and you did tell Jamie Crawford these things correct?

M:

I dont know if I told her Otero was in there I just told her that Sergeant Best had asked Marion about it and um he pretty much told him there was no relationship with him and Battey.

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Okay then lets get down the road further. And that and that e-mail there, just so were clear, you gave that or a copy of that to Jamie Crawford?

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. And that indicates that this is Marions e-mail address? That is his e-mail address. You can confirm that and this e-mail address is whose? Which, oh, thats Lori Batteys. And how would you know that? Because I was able to pull up um actually whats behind that, that should be her other um e-mail she sent him and it has her name on it.

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Uh, (papers shuffling) I see, yeah. And see I didnt know, I didnt know, (laughter) at the time of the affair that I found out about the affair it wasnt hers it was somebody elses.

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Who else had, lets see, and this card here. That card I just found recently. Is this the card, I think according to (papers shuffling) Jamies memo or, or in, some information I received this was left behind at your house when

M:

Marion was cleaning out the garage and left that sitting on the work bench and, and I believe he left it for me to find, I dont know why he would do that but (laughter) it just appeared on the work bench.

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Okay and who do you believe this is from? Well it says from Lori.

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Right and is that the way uh Lori spells her name, L O R I? I dont know, I dont (laughter in voice) Well lets check this e-mail again. (Pause, papers shuffling) would there be any other Lori that youre aware of that that card could be from?

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No he has other names but Lori is not one of them. Okay (sigh, pause) so who else would you have discussed this, lets call it, the truthfulness issue, who else did you discuss this truthfulness issue with?

M: Captain H: M:

Moss. And you were told? I was told he was asked (pause) in a round about way if his relationship with Lori was giving him benefits on duty.

H:

Okay so in other words (pause) if I have this right, if I interpret what you just told me right, that question wasnt a direct question about whether or not there existed a relationship?

M: H:

Yeah according to Captain Moss. Okay, who else did you discuss it with? I understand that youve, its been my understanding that, that as this crisis has developed and evolved that youve discussed uh one or more of these issues that were gonna talk about with various people including Lieutenant Sessions?

M: Lieutenant

Sessions, hes

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Um and is this one of the ones that you discussed with Lieutenant Sessions?

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Everything in there Ive discussed with Lieutenant Sessions. Okay and what information did you receive from Lieutenant Sessions about that particular issue if any?

M: H: Yes. M: Um H: M:

Um about the lying?

(pause) Were you told anything different than what the Captain told you? (Pause) you know um I really, I dont remember about what Sessions said about it because at the time, I mean I was telling him multiple stuff about you know, things that were going on that were a little more pertinent in our life

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huh. than what was going on at the job. Okay, alright and I dont want to dig into that if its not job related uh and, and uh

M: H: M: Ok

Well its gonna be asked in some of these questions. Sure, well, well, I want to try and ay.

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move through this. As far as Lieutenant Sessions and him lying I dont recall the conversation in regards to that, thats

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Well if it would have been something different than what you were told by Captain Moss would that have stuck in your mind?

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Well, yeah I dont, I dont even know if we went deep even into that area.

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Okay well if, if we dont get to that other one then prompt me in a, in a few minutes here but I think weve covered this one. And the next one is Marion has refused to pay any bills.

M: Right. H: M: Yeah. H: Okay. M: H: Ive told everybody that. Alright and what, regarding refusal to pay bills, get me up to speed here, you guys are no longer living under the same roof correct? M: H: M: Right. H: And uh you gave, did you indicate to Jamie that his refusal to pay bills would have been in violation of the Departments General Orders? (No audible response) You are separated, pending divorce, yes or no? Would you have given Jamie any information to that affect?

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No that was her statement. That was her statement and we do have General Orders that, that uh talk about financial responsibilities.

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And I dont know about them. Yeah and they are um not, Ive never, Ive never been involved in a case where that policy was something that was an issue or even enforceable, everybody has money problems and everybody has ups and downs is the bottom line.

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huh. You know uh dont torch your car and turn it in for a, a, a

insurance pay off because chances are youll probably fired. wont have, wont have that issue but um (sigh) do you think that his refusal to pay bills is, is a, well first of all, did, did you take that to anyone, Lieutenant Sessions, the Captain, the Sergeant?

M: Everybody. H: Everybody M: H: and who is everybody? Captain Moss, Lieutenant Sessions um Sergeant Best. Okay and you received what sort of feed back from them individually?

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Nothing, I mean, Captain Moss pretty much just said try and keep your ut, utility bills up and that um he asked you know do you have an attorney and I said yeah, and I said, His attorney told him not to pay me anything.

H: M: Yes H: M:

Does he have Fred Kearns perhaps? . Yeah, um So Ive had two paychecks with nothing at all. The last paycheck or the one I finally got something was $150.00 so

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(Sigh) now you guys have a child together? . And have you, has there been any um Court orders for any court orders, any judges instructions about whos to pay what uh to whom?

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No, were supposed to go October 6th because I requested an emergency hearing because again Marions not helping pay anything um he made a verbal agreement and has um (laugher in voice) not abided by it so its caused a lot of problems.

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Okay and that, I think that touches on something that I didnt put in the, in the notice here but there was, theres mention in here of violating a court order.

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Thats wrong, she got that wrong. Okay and that, did that have to do with custody? . And what did you say to her ref, reference that? I said that he violated our verbal agreement and kept Brandon over night when he was supposed to return him and hes been doing it ever since.

H: M: Yes H: M:

Is that something that you have also addressed with the Lieutenant? . Okay and you received what feed back from the Lieutenant? Well thats, thats, because we all know, you know, thats just so, you have no court order anybody can do whatever they want.

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Right, youre both parents of the child?

You both still married?

Theres no court order

tell, instructing you to handle things one way or the other right?

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M: Right. H: So you think, it, what is your opinion about uh this and let me make sure that Im not misquoting Jamie here because I didnt put it in the notice and it may have been an oversight on my part or I might have uh discovered it was already sufficiently explained. Im gonna, Im gonna look through this memo here a minute. (Pause, papers shuffling) okay, yes it states in here Tammy went on to tell us that she had reported that Marion had threatened her and I think thats in here as well uh but in the same paragraph it says Tammy stated that Marion repeatedly violates their court order custody agreement and nothing is done. Um did you make any statements to her indicating that there was a court ordered agreement for custody? M: No. H: Okay do, do you think its possible that she has misinterpreted what you did tell her? M: Yes H: M: Um H: M: And what do, what do you Well like I said our, our conversation wasnt you know where we were discussing this because theres plans of doing something, it was just a conversation of H: You were venting your frustrations? . Or you think shes outright lying about this?

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Nightmares of marital woes and so I dont, you know, she didnt have a pad and paper out and she wasnt taking notes and she wasnt really asking questions, she was just, you know listening to me.

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Okay so do you, whats your interpretation of her uh, miss, misinterpreting this I mean

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Well its wrong and I dont know if she just wrote it down thinking that I was meaning a violation but like I said you know I, I told her that he violated our verbal agreement which, you know

H: Okay. M: H: I dont know Alright (sigh) so thats covered. Marion has threatened you, there, Im quoting Jamies mem, memo, Marion had threatened her uh and it was her word against his and nothing further was done. M: H: And thats wrong. What is, it, thats wrong and youre saying Jamie didnt get right what you told her? M: Right. H: M: What did you tell her of, that would be anything like that in nature? I told her that um Marions made verbal threats to me and some (pause, whispering) how did it go, (pause) Marion made verbal threats to me but I mean it didnt go anywhere and the reason was, was I wasnt asking for it, I was talking to Sessions but she doesnt know that, does that make sense?

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Yeah, the reason it didnt go anywhere was that you werent requesting that any action be taken on it,

M: No. H: M: is that what youre saying? I was talking to Lieutenant Sessions keeping him up to date telling him that things at home are getting really bad. H: Uh M: huh. And that Im to a point Im gonna have to go to court, I dont want to go to court and get his gun taken away. I dont want to lose my job. H: M: What sort of threats were being made? Well Marion, when Marion gets mad he starts making threats that hes gonna make our life ugly or you know, life at home in general ugly and he started making threats that hes gonna stop paying all the bills and let the house and the truck go back which is what hes doing and um then started harassing me by turning off things, my cell phone, turning off our internet. He didnt turn off the utilities but he just, other stuff and so H: He turned off your cell phone and is that something that was in his name, your name or both? M: H: Uh M: It was in his name, my name was on it but he was in charge of it. huh. The truck is in his name, hes responsible for it, the house in Kingman is in his name, my names on it. The only, the only thing that is in both our

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name is the house in Bullhead and I cant contact people and deal with it because hes sole proprietor over it. H: Over M: H: which? Over the bills and stuff so they wont talk to me. Right. So you said that he has turned off your internet and your cell phone? M: He turned off my cell phone, he turned off the internet, he um separated our bank accounts. He cancelled our bank account which now weve got checks bouncing. He, he was going around doing some crazy stuff and on his own. H: M: H: M: Well H: M: What do you mean by crazy stuff? Well to me that, you know, why are you doing this stuff, there, theres No, no what crazy stuff is, turning what is crazy stuff? Well turning the internet off, turning the cell phone off, threatening to, you know destroy us financially I mean theres no reason for any of that. H: Okay so the threats would have all been about, lets say, non-violent acts? M: Right.

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But never the less uh damaging and damaging acts that, just of a nonviolent nature?

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That, exactly other than the one when McNally was there and Marion was gathering his things and McNally was talking to me inside the house and as Marion walked out the door he turned around and said either youre gonna be next or youre gonna get yours.

H: And M: And I dont know what that meant unless by him not paying bills is my payback for it, I dont know. H: Okay, M: H: M: did McNally (both speaking inaudible) Is that something that McNally would have heard? No because he did it under his breath when he was walking out the door and McNally was like um from, this is the front door and to maybe back to your cabinet there is where we were standing. H: M: H: M: H: M: And thats how far McNally was from you? Yeah his back was to Marion. And this is something muttered uh whispered? He just, he mouthed it to me. Lip sync it or? Well no I could hear a little bit but I knew what he said.

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Okay but you think its reasonable that McNally didnt hear it is that right? I know for a fact he didnt hear it.

He didnt acknowledge it in any ways and I didnt say anything to him. Okay and did you, was this brought up to the Lieutenant? . It was, and it was brought up to Jamie as well? . Did uh, okay, okay Marion has refused to pay any bills; I think weve covered that, not in any detailed fashion but I think youve given me the picture. (Pause) um did you give Jamie information indicating that emails that you have hit towards Marion meeting up with his girlfriend during work hours?

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I said they possibly may, I havent investigated them because theres so much going on and Im just, I

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Now is that, is that, is that something thats been addressed through your chain of command?

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I told Lieutenant Sessions about the e-mails, he looked at the e-mails and at least looked to see if he got any calls to, to her residence, he didnt have any calls but as far as taking the e-mails and because theres some dates and times, Ill meet you here, you know Ill be off at this time and you know, I havent even looked into that.

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Who, but youre indicating that Lieut, Lieutenant Sessions has looked into it or has possession of these e-mails?

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No he doesnt have the e-mails, alls he did was take her name and see if um Marion had any calls to her residence and we didnt get any of that.

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Okay. (Pause) calls as in, sent there by Dispatch calls,

Were not talking about checking phone records are we? what? Were not talking about checking phone records are we? Uh no,

No, no, no the Dispatch calls. Okay, okay thats everything in the notice, Im gonna go all the way through this memo again and just to double check and make sure that weve covered everything again because uh there was a triaging process that goes on when I get one of these you know. This is like a shot gun, uh this is like a, a multifaceted complaint and I want to make sure that we uh address everything that would need to be addressed, so give me a little time here.

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And you know what? There was a comment about the threats; I did tell her that I did bring it to Lieutenant Sessions attention

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huh. and she said and he didnt do any thing and I said no and thats when she said you know that there are um that that was wrong and there are things that you can do about it but like I said I didnt, I wasnt going in depth with her and explaining anything and, about what I was doing with Lieutenant, Lieutenant Sessions so I dont even know if I remember telling her that.

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(Pause) did you ever discuss with anyone whether or not Marion was getting some sort of favorable call assignments through Lori Battey?

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Well that was the discussion with Sergeant Best, thats why he, he asked him about the relationship with them because thats what he believed.

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Right and did you receive any information about what was found regarding that subject whether there were calls, whether you know Marion was getting the sweet calls, the easy calls, less calls,

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calls. did you ever get any information about what was discovered?

Not until after I talked with um Crawford and then Captain came in and said you know this is what we found out, this is whats going on and (cleared throat).

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(Pause) I want to read a paragraph to you and, and (pause) see if its, if you think its accurate or relatively accurate or inaccurate. Sergeant Best arrived and read the memo I had turned in and I think thats the memo that were talking about, about information received from a student. Are you familiar with this where Jamie Crawford, have you seen that memo?

M: Yeah. H: Okay and thats it, thats where Jamie Crawford, uh received information from Lori Batteys niece or nephew? M: Right. H: At school, okay, so were referring to that now and Im reading a paragraph out of Jamies memo dated uh (pause) not dated. (Papers shuffling) why do people not date their memos. M: (Laughter) H: Anyway um Jamie says in her memo, paragraph six, Sergeant Best arrived and read the memo that I had turned in, stated that there was nothing he could do. He stated that the, the reason that he spoke to Marion is because his squad at the time was complaining because Marion was not getting any calls and Lori was giving all the calls to them instead. Are we, is, is, are we talking about a conversation here that you were privy to? M: H: I was there in the room. Okay, alright. Sergeant Best did not give too many other details but stated that Marion denied that anything was going on between him and Lori.

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M: Right. H: Right? M: Right. H: M: Yes H: As in thats correct, thats accurate? . Sergeant Best stated that it was turned over to Lieutenant Duke and Marion denied that anything was going on. M: H: I dont know if he denied it to Lieutenant Duke. Okay, Tammy showed Sergeant Best and me a card and it says see enclosure three (papers shuffling) and I believe that that would be this? M: Yeah. H: Okay and this is the sexy smile, sexy talk, sexy kisses card uh its a copy of it. M: H: M: Yes H: Yeah one year anniversary on there too. One year anniversary love card? . Okay so a card was shown. Tammy stated that the card was left at her house on purpose by Marion when he left the house to move in with Lori. M: I didnt say that, I just said it was left on the work bench. I dont know why he left it, if he left it intentionally or if he didnt, it was just there.

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He, right, okay, thats not important. (Pause) reference this card Tammy asked, isnt that enough proof that he lied to Sergeant Best, Lieutenant Duke, myself and everyone else that has asked Marion about the affair? Sergeant Best stated that there was really nothing that he could do.

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kinda. Is that kinda accurate? just thats Yeah I just asked you know because Lieutenant, or, um Sergeant Best was saying you know hes not on our shift anymore, it was in regards to the shift, its not a big deal and I just asked him, Im like, you know, hes, youve told me that hes lied, he lied to you, he lied to Otero and like I said I didnt (both speaking inaudible)

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Sergeant Best told you that Marion lied to him? Well thats what he was saying when, no, he didnt say that. I asked him isnt he lying to you because I showed you the um card showing that its been a year and hes like, you know, hes moved (laughter in voice) off our shift and as soon as that was done it was over. The memo went to Lieutenant Duke; it goes from Lieutenant Duke there so

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Okay (pause) we talked about the court ordered custody agreement? Yes, its not true. When you say thats not true youre saying you didnt give Jamie information

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I did not tell her to that effect? it was a court order.

It was a verbal. (Pause, papers shuffling) did Jamie tell you that she was gonna have to report some of this stuff to Sergeant Gillman because she thought it was misconduct?

M: No. H: (Papers M: shuffling) And like I said it was just a discussion about divorces and nightmares (laughter). I wasnt expecting to have Captain Moss in my office within a couple of hours. H: Okay, we have now covered everything that was mentioned in this memo that the Department would be concerned about if it were true, now obviously that leaves out quite a great deal of personal crisis and you know divorce related personal issues. Is there anything that we havent discussed or wasnt written in that memo that if it were true would be misconduct that you are aware of, because if there is lets here it okay? M: No. H: No, youre indicating no?

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M: No. H: Okay. M: Not that Im aware of right now but like I said I get new stuff every day so its just H: Well is it fair to say that youre kind of doing a little bit of investigating on your own? M: H: M: I have to. In support of your upcoming um civil court issues? Well its not only that its just, Im trying to find out what the hell I was married to, I (laughter in voice) Im, Im finding out so much stuff, like I said you know, some of the stuff you hear in here is H: Okay, alright so, but we were, theres no more possible misconduct that youre aware of at this time, is that correct? M: Right. H: Okay um is this gonna create any sort of issue between you and Jamie Crawford? M: No. H: M: H: Or anyone else in this No I just chain of who knew what and who things were discussed with?

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No I just know I just cant confide in anybody anymore. Well when it comes to the, the, the Departmental issues here are multiple. One of them is do we have misconduct. The other one is um do we have information being disseminated in the Department that also at some point is, uh damaging or unfair or prejudicial towards Marion. Now before you jump on that one um we have a obligation to all of our employees and so you two being both employees here that creates, you know, if, if, if one of you didnt work here that would cut our potential liabilities and responsibilities right in half.

M: Right. H: But since you both do, you know this sort of information getting out, lets say uh, uh Jamie Crawford hears something from you in a, in a perfectly and, and you know in a, in a conversation thats just meant to, you know, you can vent your frustrations about all thats going on in your personal life and she reads more into it than it really, than was really said. M: Right. H: And she tells two friends and they tell two friends and so on and so on. Um thats were the problem lies, has anybody in your chain of command told you to button this up? M: Yes H: M: . And did they explain to you why? I was talked to by Sergeant Messina, I was talked to by Lieutenant Duke and asked if this was gonna be an issue, this was gonna be a problem and like I said, it wasnt, I didnt believe that you know, like I said I was just talking about the nightmare that I was going through, I wasnt talking about Marion, about Marion, I was talking abut you know, divorces, she

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was explaining about her divorce, what they went through and you know like I told Captain Moss um you know the Department is a resource and so I have to be able to talk to some of the people that have been through divorces because Im supposedly his fifth wife now so he knows how to do this stuff, I dont. I dont know anything about it so Im asking them you know what do you do in child custody, what do you do in this and its not to talk about him but to get whatever I need so I can move on and H: But do you understand, have you been you know, made to understand uh that regardless of your intent when you have these conversations they can flower M: Well H: or M: now mushroom. now that Ive talked to Captain Moss and yeah that, I mean and just seeing the memo yeah, I mean I, I H: And do you think and having said that, do you think that Jamie Crawford is doing any sort of mean spirited uh manipulative re-interpretation of what you told her or this is just simply something that was misunderstood and repeated? M: Um you know some of it I think is misunderstood and, and misread, I asked her cause she said I filed a complaint and I looked at her and I was like, why, why would you do that, you know I had Captain Moss in my office, why would you do that. He gives me this list of all these things and is asking me all these questions about you know something I was talking to you, to you about that you know it wasnt supposed to go anywhere but the office you know, we were H: Well but then were back to, I, I understand what youre saying but were, we are back to the, the reality of, of her obligation to the Department.

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And, and exactly and thats what she was saying to me and I do believe that you know, because the conversation was strictly talking about the divorces and nightmares and stuff like that that um she wasnt getting information that she could have used to say okay, this isnt criminal cause this has been looked into or whatever else. She didnt have that information. I didnt give it to her because like I said we, that wasnt our conversation.

H:

Do you think she, uh back to the question I originally asked you, do you think theres anything culpable about any of the information thats been misinterpreted and redistributed?

M: H:

I dont understand culpable, what do you mean? Do you think that theres anything sinister in, in her, her interpretation or misinterpretation in giving this information?

M:

I, I wouldnt know, I, I wouldnt, I would hope not you know, I, I dont believe that she would intentionally do it, she apologized to me.

H:

Okay, enough said. Alright do you have any, I think weve covered the fact that theres no other alleged or suspected misconduct to dig into at this time.

M:

(Laughter) I say that so far theres nothing to look into other than you know

H:

Okay Im gonna go ahead and end the interview at uh 9:38 a.m. on the 29th of September, 2009.

Transcribed by Diana P. Markez of the Bullhead City Police Department.

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