Black Racism in St Kitts/Nevis

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Mark Brantley
gabreilla8765
Oct 3, 2003
3:23 pm
The Guyaneese Question

The issue of citizens of Guyana being in our midst in Nevis has attracted a lot of
attention. Indeed, more properly put, the issue of those Guyanese of Indian descent, has
attracted a lot of attention. It seems unfortunately that there is a view emerging in Nevis
that these people ought not to be allowed to live and participate in the socio cultural
economic and political life of their new home, Nevis. This view has gained currency as it
is constantly suggested by the NRP that the Guyanese somehow support CCM and help
that Party to so convincingly beat the NRP at every election since 1992. In New York
recently, the Honourable Joseph Parry, Leader of the NRP and someone who claims to be
a regionalist in his outlook, stated that Guyanese were "breeding" faster than Nevisians
and reminded Nevisians assembled in New York that Idi Amin chased the Indians out of
Uganda for a reason. It is unfortunate in my view when our leaders look to the worst
examples of leadership that the World has seen for guidance.

I will not join with anyone to lambaste Guyanese. Most Nevisians on this List are
probably Nevisians living in foreign lands. My own father lived abroad for nearly 4
decades and his monthly remittances kept me and my 3 sisters fed and clothed. He was a
black man living first in the white country of England and then later in the equally white
country of America. Thank God they did not kick him out or try to exclude him from
earning a living. In England he would have registered to vote after living there for the
prescribed period. Thank God that the Englishman did not see it fit to castigate him for
how he voted. In America, he was able to register to vote and both Democrat and
Republican campaigned for his support. None sought to exclude him because he was
from Nevis.

When he had spent 40 winters in foreign lands, he acquired monies to invest in his
homeland. He bought land. He built a home. Indeed, so well had those foreign lands
blessed him that he was able to become a founding member of the Bank of Nevis, an
institution that now gives many, including Mr. Parry, succour.

Why then do we castigate Guyanese so? I do not mean to personalize this debate too
much but it might be important to state that I am not sure that any of Mr. Parry's children
currently live in Nevis. I am certain that Hensley Daniel only has one sibling still living
in Nevis. All are in foreign lands. How then should those foreign lands react to a call for
Nevis to emulate Idi Amin? How would we like for our people to be castigated as
"breeding" faster than the locals in those lands?

The Guyanese are merely doing in Nevis what Nevisians and Caribbean peoples have
done for decades. They are seeking a better life for themselves and for their families back
home. Nothing is wrong with that. While doing so, they provide a much needed labour
force, they provide much needed consumption, they spend money to travel home on
holidays, they pay work permit fees to Government or have such fees paid on their
behalf, they pay social security, they teach Nevisians about their culture and get the
chance to learn about ours.

If Nevis is to become a modern society, we must at all cost cease and desist from
pandering to the worst and basest emotions in us but rather seek to lift us up by the level
of our debate and the collective application of our intellect. Let us not preach regionalism
when we attend nice cocktail parties or speak to the BBC but preach hatred and racism
when we address locals at home or in small gatherings abroad. Let us be fair to the
Guyanese as to all immigrants coming to our shores remembering that we too were and in
many respects still are a migrant people.

Regards

Mark

Sat Oct 4, 2003 3:26 am

"doantodo" <doantodo@...>
doantodo
Re: The Guyaneese Question

Mark,

It is rather ironic that, I will be replying to you, concerning

the "Guyaneese Question". Just this evening, I was speaking with two
co workers from Barbados and a Guyana. We were just joking around
passing time. Infact, I was listening as they, pull jokes on each
other. But I felt quite a shock, when the Barbados chap told the
Guyaneese chap, that there are about one hundred thousand Guyaneese
living in Barbados and the Guyaneese reply was, that eventually we
going to take it over. I continued to smile along as the
conversation took several turns. But in my hart, I was thinking
about Nevis, knowing the racial situation in Guyana and Trinidad. I
would not want the island of Nevis to find itself in the same
situation like Guyana and Trinidad where the population are just
about even, and especially with Guyaneese Indians. They are the worst
to have around, they are not nice people. Even at work, they will
warn you to be careful of this one or that one. Many of them still
carry their racial hatred of blacks, but they will treat you somewhat
differently if you are not a Guyaneese black. When you want to find
thiefing, dangerous, crooked low minded people, that's most of the
Guyaneese I know. I do not against regionalism. I do believe in
Caribbean integration and freedom of movement of our peoples. I also
do believe that there must be some form of mechanism to be put inplace
to protect our small populations in the smaller islands. We do not
want to be over-run and like my Guyaneese coworker say's "take over
you
country". You have made alot of good points, but you also need to
look at the issue from a much wider perspective and examined the pros
and the cons. To my view, you are only looking at the pros. So I
would say, that Parry's concern is a legitimate one. If Nevis should
eventually secede from St.Kitts, it could become a mager concerned
down the road, if not properly managed. I will conclude that freedom
of movement is a good thing, and we should welcome our fellow
caribbean nationals. There must be though, some measure of control
and checks and balances, to protect the smaller islands from been
over-run.

doantodo.

Sat Oct 4, 2003 1:14 pm

"greg1120907" <greg1@...>
greg1120907
Re: The Guyaneese Question

Pregnant with meaning, Sir. And very well stated. People every-
where have always moved around in search of better alternative
opportunities. Indeed, the People of Nevis and St.Kitts have shown
as great a propensity for moving around as any other.

The Colonel harboured visions of creating the perfect agrarian state

in St.Kitts and Nevis. The people were not impressed. And, they
fled, hitching a ride on anything that would float.

More than 5,000 took to the high seas. His mantra:

"... We have fertile lands, ..... there is a friendly sea around us.
Fellow citizens let us take ourselves in hand and together build...."

Despite this natural impulse for persons to seek to migrate to

improve their lot; we are constrained by our geographic size. And,
therefore it is incumbent that we pay special attention to the
quality of our labor force. We have invested heavily and have given a
lot of attention to enhancing the quality of our labor force in Nevis
and St.Kitts.

We must therefore be even more careful and deliberate with respect to

the quality of our immigrant labor force, and very purposeful in the
careful matching of our needs with the army of the reserve unemployed
who is standing outside of the gates.

Wed Oct 8, 2003 11:47 am

Morrice Tyrell <mutyrell@.

Re: Re: The Guyaneese Question

Gentlemen,
There are pros and cons on both sides of this issue. However, it apprears that
both of you have taken some rather extreme positions. For most of my adult
life, I have lived in foreign countries - four to be exact - spread over both
Caribbean and North American nations. I therefore believe I possess the
necessary background to objectively address this "thorny" issue.

Folks, migration is a fact of modern life. Some have even dubbed it a necessary
evil. As countries develop, international trade in goods and services, the
transfer of capital - both financial and human - are an integral part of that
development. One of the very serious problems that I see emerging in St. Kitts
and Nevis, and in Nevis in particular, stems from the fact that our
constitutional arrangement does not allow local governemnt to set immigration
and or labour policy. This issue therefore must be coordinated at the federal
level with sigunufucant input from the Nevis Island Administration (NIA).
Therefore the sooner our politicains could swollow their pride and sit down to
address this central problem, the sooner we could more effectively establish
some control over this expolding problem.

I sense a little (or maybe more) political ferver coming out of Mark's position,
while his central theme does have some merit. I agree that if in fact the
statements attributed to Mr. Parry were actually uttered in that manner, they
should be tempered, and the NRP should attempt to court the votes of those
foreigners how have qualified to vote in Nevis. The last thing we want to
happen, is to have foreigners dividing us politically and eventually controlling
us. We need to get a firm handle on this potential problen NOW.

Wed Oct 8, 2003 1:41 pm

kuba assegai <kessegai@...>
kessegai

Re: Re: The Guyaneese Question

Hotep Morrice

I am almost befuddled when I read or listen to

citizens of the Federation trying to make comparison
between other Nations and St.Kitts/Nevis. These
comparisons are usually done from a very superficial
and myopic perspective. Take your 'objective' stance
on the 'Guyanese and Dominican Republican Question' on
the 'Secession' Vote. One couldn't imagine that any
Nation State would permit any mass immigration to
decide the fate of their Nation. I was brought up in
England and during the Rt.Hon, Enoch Powell's "River
of Blood" speech I was serving with the Royal Air
Force. Suffice to say, one could not labour the
thought that whether in Canada where,NIA Senator
Nolan, defended the 'Anglophile' bias legislative
system against the Franco-Phones, or in England where
I defended -for a period in my life- the anti-Black
and anti-Irish Westminster System, they would allow
either of us to determine the make up of their system.
Yet NIA Senator Nolan gladly defends the Canadian
racist and culturally chauvinistic system with little
qualms, but decided to add his shoulders to the
secessionist 'bull cart' to roll our Federation into
the sea of destruction.
Secondly, I see not contradiction concerning the fact
that the Federal Government having total control over
the Immigration and Labour portfolios. A case in point
was what happened following the United States Civil
War. The Federal Government of the United States took
on the responsibility of Immigration and citizenship
along with Labour. This seem to have worked extremely
well in the United States in defense of their
sovereignty and I don't see it as a problem in our
Federation. The issue at stake here is how the
'foreign worker' are used by the current NIA to
undermine Federal authority and electoral abuses.
Therefore to apply, what you termed as an 'Objective'
scale, between Mark Brantley's nonsense and Mr.
Cozier's well thought out analysis borders on bathos.

Hotep

Wed Oct 8, 2003 3:39 pm

joseph hughes <amori101@...>
amori101
Re: Re: The Guyaneese Question

I think this is an interesting debate. It reminds me of a conversation that I have with a

friend from Guyana. She said that other Caribbean islands are treating Guyanese
immigrant so bad and while seeming to forget that Guyana with it vast land etc was very
generous in taking in Caribbean immigrants in times past. Things have a way of coming
back to haunt us. Remember Jamaica broke up the W.I. federation "because all those
small islands were in the federation to gain a Jamaica's expense". Well, now all the small
islands are much better off than Jamaica and Jamicans are migrating to them.

The same issue with the Santo Domingoans (Dominicans from the D.R. as opposed to
Dominica). While I was growing up, I knew several men who lived and worked in the
D.R. In fact, I learned my fist words in Spanish from them. My own grandfather went
there and never came back. When there was no jobs in a lot of Caribbean islands, our
folks went to the D.R. in droves. Some stayed and never returned. Others spent some
time there, earned some money and came home. In a conversation with a man from the
Dominican Republic, after I told him that my grandfather went to the D.R. and never
returned, he told me that there are several towns in the D.R. where people still English-
the descendants of the earlier immigrants from the English speaking Caribbean. I think it
is only fair now if we return the favor and let them reside among us.

Doantodo's piece was some what alarming. He is comfortable painting all Indo-Guyanese
with one broad brush. Some people will say the exact same thing about Blacks. I am
never comfortable generalizing about an entire group of people like that. There are good
and bad folks among every ethnic group.

My two cents.

J.S. Hughes

Thu Oct 9, 2003 4:47 am

"doantodo" <doantodo@...>
doantodo

Re: The Guyaneese Question

Joseph,
I think you may have missed or over looked the main points that I
tried to convey, that is (if Nevis with a population of ten thousand
should secede from St.Kitts, with an estimation of two thousand or so
Guyaneese already living there, this can become a mager concern down
the road). I also pointed out the racial situation in Guyana and
Trinidad between the indians and the black. I specifically said," I
wauld not want the island of Nevis to find itself in the racial
political situation like in those two countries". I also did
mentioned that " when you want to find thiefing, crooked low minded
people, that's most of the Guyaneese I know". That is not a
generalisation. I stand firmly behind my statements, because I have
worked with these people and I speak of what I have experience and
heard with my two ears and saw with my two eyes. They are trouble and
mischief makers, most of whom I known in the work place. Anguilla,
saw the writing on wall and decided to put a visa restriction in
place for Guyaneese and Jamaicans. If our tourism plant continues to
develop, eventually we will need foreign workers. I am not against no
one, or Guyaneese Indians coming to live and woked in St.Kitts and
Nevis. My main concern, is because of our small population, and if
is not managed properly, we can find ourselves in some recial
difficulty, down the road, especially in the case of Nevis, if it
should eventually secede from St.Kitts. So Joseph, I do appreciate
the fact that you find my piece somewhat alarming, becaue this is the
perfect time to raise the alarm. (A stitch intime save nine). Would
you like your country to be taken over by outsiders, because they
eventually, become the mojarity race of Nevis or our county? St.Kitts
and Nevis is not Santo Domingo. We are alot smaller.

doantodo.

Thu Oct 9, 2003 10:37 am

kuba assegai <kessegai@...>
kessegai

Re: Re: The Guyaneese Question

Hotep Mr. Tyrell

You and Mr. Hughes missed my point entirely. At no

time am I advancing the chauvinistic argument again
fellow Caribbean citizens and least of all against
Fellow Afrikans coming to live in the Federation.
I juxtaposed the fact of 'any' immigrant going to
another Nation will not be allowed to play any part
in 'Breaking up' the political composition of that
Nation. Second, I drew attention to the naked
hypocrisy of the NIA Senator Nolan, who supports
Canadian racism and chauvinistic treatment of the
Native Peoples, Afrikans, East Indians, Chinese and
French Canadian without calling for an end to their
Federation. Ironically, a fish has no complaint and
knows no difference when it is in water.
Therefore, I am wholeheartedly in support of the
position that only those citizens in the Federation
with ties to the Island of Nevis should vote in the
plebiscite for 'secession'. The 'Rent-a-Voters'
strategy employed by the CCM in the last local
election, which gave them a majority in the NIA should
not be tolerated in this important plebiscite vote. In
fact the Federal Authority should take control of the
voter's list to make sure that everything is fair and
above board. Vance is a nasty little crook and so are
the other reptilian characters around him.

Shem Hotep

Thu Oct 9, 2003 9:32 am

nevis2us@.

Re: The Guyaneese Question

This is an interesting debate. I see both sides of the debate but Nevisians
should be absolutely careful of restrictive or prohibitive measures on
immigration. People generally move from society to society for betterment of
lifestyle and living.

In general, Indian culture is a "clannish" one. Some Indians do not easily

assimilate in other societies, but we should embrace others who bring skills and
education accomplishments that would advance Nevis place in the global market.

Nevisian Royalty nevisianroyalty@... 27.12.2003 wrote:

Re: Re: Gonsalves: Scrap Passport Requirement

Unrestricted entry into this country would spell disaster for us, reversing he
socioeconomic gains we've achieved over the past decades. Antigua has such a policy, but
that's for political rather than economic reasons. But there are now school kids there who
can't find furniture on which to sit. Ditto the hospital in St. Johns. Simply put, the
immigrant population has overwhelmed the government's ability to provide essential
services. We don't want that here!
BTW, I've noticed that the dilapidated houses in Nevis (of the type in which Daniel
Nicastro lives) seem to be occupied by Guyanese coolies. So here we are back to finding
a way out of the type of abject poverty many of us worked so hard to escape. No doubt
we must have immigration, but it must be controlled.

Morrice Tyrell
mutyrell@...
mutyrell
Dec 27, 2003
9:04 pm

Re: Re: Gonsalves: Scrap Passport Requirement

You are disgracefully discriminatory. How limited is your thinking!!!!!!!!!!!

Sat Feb 14, 2004 10:05 am

poesys@... Wrote:

Re: At least 10 men in jail for killing their spouse or girlfreind in St.Kitts
Epitome,

As we become more and more enlightened as a society, we respond better and

better to some of these long held mores. I remember growing up in Newtown at a
time when men would 'box off' their wives, and girlfriends literally in front of
the police without any retribution.
I also remember some of the women who gave as good as they got. But that was
at a time when we were at the bottom of society. We were the crabs in the
barrel, fighting each other for the crumbs that were thrown at us to keep us
occupied.
But this is a new time. Many, many of the listers have no idea of the growth
of political awareness and by virtue of empowerment, the social awareness that
the Labor movement brought to us as a people.
At one time my family lived on George Street in Newtown, (Ralph Tota, lives in
the home now) and from my upstairs bedroom window facing the street, I could
observe all of the nightly street theater. Even today, I could literally recite
the acts of characters like Mart and Barb, Coolie, Mug, Cuddah, Coke, Danny,
(Under the spreading chestnut tree) Bo-Tart, Jimmy Daddy, Hawkips, Sebron, (all
of the Vaughns)Shitty, Logan, Jimton, BraBread, Buster and the venerable
dominican lady 'My Doodoo.' (Lewis for you it is '.'My Dieux dieux).'
But as rambunctious as these people were, they always respected themselves
enough to look around and tell kids to move on before exploding in their
'unique' language. Yes, they fought like cats and dogs. I remember the Masons
and Vaughns closing down George street when they fought with conch shells,
bottles, stones and machetes.
I remember going with my father many, many times to the homes of people in the
community to try to quell 'domestic disputes' Sometimes he would hold the man at
bay while his wife or girlfriend explained what had occurred. Leaders back then
were psychiatrists, doctors, teachers, accountants, bankers etc. etc.
So it is not all about politics as usual. We were a much more closely knit
society then. We identified a common enemy and we resolved through our
leadership to fight our way out of the barrel. I offer these historical
glimpses so that we do not get bogged down in our own selfish political
reasoning. No matter what we think of Premier Bradshaw, he was the right man at
the right time for us.
My good friend Dr.Hull said that Bradshaw did not have economic vision, and he
may be partly right in retrospect. But W.E.B. DuBois said the same things
about Marcus Garvey, instead of helping him with his knowledge, education and
expertise. Bradshaw was an authoritarian, no doubt about it. I remember many.
many nights at my fathers home when Mr. Bradshaw and my father would 'argue' and
'discuss' late into the night their strategies and solutions for the country.
I tend to take the diplomatic route that my father espoused. Bradshaw on the
other hand was a pure politician. He was about winning. My father was about
influencing. But together they formed a formidable team.
Peace,
Poesy

Sun Jun 6, 2004 9:24 am "Viola Jacobs" <venisbett@...>

Re: The Village Area

A good project for you, Sylvine! I look forward to the finished publication!
You remember a lot more than me, I think. Anyway, here's a few to add to the list:

* "Barley" -never knew his correct name- but in days of no refrigerators, he daily
brought ice from the ice plant for the shops as well as other people. Remember the days
we used to buy ice! I remember he used to bring 1/4 block for us most days.
* The DeGrasse family: they used to make kites for sale for Good Friday. They also
supplied cassava bread for the morning breakfast. I remember liking those with the
coconut inside.
* Mr. James who used to have a monkey; we used to get wood from him to boil the
clothes and cook the ham at Christmas. He also supplied by order the bed grass which
many used at the time
* Mr. Allen and Miss Coolie - they used to sell vegetables on St Johnston Avenue
where they lived near to Nurse May & Banks , the photograher's place. One of the
children of that union works in the St. Kitts Consulate in Canada - not sure of his correct
title. His name is John Allen, you may know him. The family of them now live in Canada
though in recent years, Miss Coolie has returned to live in St. Kitts at Bayview Housing
Development.
* What about Mrs. Claxton and her famous pull-pull?

I have to stop now as I am out of time but will add some more later as I can think of quite
a few more.
By the way. Irvin's "wife" was "Miss Doshia", short I think for Theodosia
Later
Viola

Sun Jun 6, 2004 4:45 pm

"Greta Lewis" <pumpbay@...>
Re: The Village Area

They boiled their clothes in a kerosene pan. These were some large galvanize pans. Folks
boiled both white and colored but mainly it was the white clothes. They also added 'pupoy' bush
to the water. Boiling was either every two weeks or whenever the individuals felt like they needed
it done.

There is also the Lapsey family of Millionaire St., there has to be about 10 kids in that family

Thu Jun 24, 2004 8:29 am

IvesRichards@...
IvesRichards@...
Send Email Send Email
Re: WINNFM/PAMFM is most divisive than uniting

In a message dated 6/24/2004 7:48:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, kackiem@... writes:

WINNFM/PAMFM  whose general manager is a black Guyanese does 
these programmes like he did in Guyanese where the blacks were pitted 
against the Indians or coolies, does more harm than good.
Be careful what you say, there are intelligent black folks monitoring what is humor
and when facts are twisted. Are you properly informed of Guyana politics, if you are
go to Guyana and receive your wake up call.

Race is the common denominator in Guyanese politics, they want the black man at
the bottom. The way it is if Africans do not fight for the common decency of been a
human, moreover a citizen in their country the Indians will just rule them as slaves
forever, irreparable damage has already been done in Guyana, I praise that black
man on WINNFM for struggling for black people. Controlling his politics on the island
is another issue, but his struggle for the upliftment of black people in Guyana must
not be tainted.

Blessings, Ives.
Fri Jun 25, 2004 10:40 am
kuba assegai <kessegai@...>
kessegai

Re: Rumours Rumours Pam Strategist to Be working Closely With Winn Fm news room

Hotep Ken Herbert

Has this individual a 'Work Permit'? If he hasn't then

he should be put on a plane as a 'Persona Non Grata'.
We cannot allow anyone to come into the Federation
from the outside and engage in action or actions that
can result in the 'destabilization' of the Nation. If
this Coolie fellow is engaging in behavior that is
unacceptable to the peace and well-being of the Nation
then he should be send packing.

Shem Hotep

<drcleaner2005@...> wrote:
> Rumours just coming to hand Indicate That Pam
> Strategist, Dr. Derick RAM_ SOUR_POOP. Will be
> working with Pam Radio Station Winn Fm. It is said
> That Mr. Ram_sour_ poop will be working in the News
> room.
>
> Dr Ramsourpoop is known for splicing words and
> making them into what he desire. Very shortly
> Listers and Nationals will be Fed a dish of Half
> Truths, words said by Prime Minister Dr. Douglas and
> other Labour Ministers will be fixed by the splicing
> hands of Dr. Ramsour poop.
>
> Every one is on edge hoping that this Hindu black
> People Hater, would do no damage to our Music
> festival, or Ordered Little Lindsey to destroy the
> good name of Our Nation.

Fri Jun 25, 2004 8:56 pm

Ken Herbert <drcleaner2005@...>
drcleaner2005

Re: Rumours Rumours Pam Strategist to Be working Closely With Winn Fm news room

Totaly Agree with You Kuba, A evil man like him could not even last one day under Dr.
Simmonds.

Dr. Douglas too Easy Run de Coolie, Pack De Coolie Chase de Coolie

Fri Jun 25, 2004 9:16 pm

Ellis Mills <plaintalker8@...>
plaintalker8
Re: Rumours Rumours Pam Strategist to Be working Closely With Winn Fm news room

This man is said to be a really vicious fanatic. He has been hired

by PAM to destabalise the country. Enough is enough.

Ellis

Sun Oct 3, 2004 2:10 pm

kuba assegai kessegai@...

Sex For Food is a Black Eye for the Caribbean.

Hotep Norman

Once again the" Servants of the People", makes the

people and Government of SKN proud by standing out
from the rest with discipline, dignity and honour.
When the news of the "Sex for Food' scandal reached my
ears I had little doubt that our 'Servants' were not a
part of that outrage. Under the excellent leadership
of Cde. Colonel Pat Wallace, the 'Servants of the
People' stands beside the 'Heavenly Stars' [SKN
National Flag] as two of the finest symbols of
Democratic Socialism in the Caribbean and beyond.

As for Mr. Noel who, in his article identified the

culprits of this disgraceful and shameless behaviour,
they should be put before a 'firing squad'. One's
Defense Forces is an extension of a Nation's internal
policies. If the Government is corrupt then so will
the various arms of that government whether it is the
Police or the Defense forces.
The Government of Trinidad and Tobago, has a long way
to go to clean up their act. The main cleavage between
the Afrikan and Asian population must be made a
priority case to be resolved or they will never become
a shining light on the mountain top. The Afrikan
population must decide as to whether they will live in
peace with their Asian brothers and sisters or they
will be returned to India under the 'Coolie Act 1838'.
The blight of ethnic conflict is a slur on the image
of the Caribbean as a whole not just T&T and Guyana.
There are Asians in Jamaica and we do not witness a
similar hostile attitude between the two ethnic groups
as we witness in T&T and Guyana.

The Asian population in both Nations must be

fore-warned about their chauvinistic behaviour which
appear to lay at the root of the conflict. The Afrikan
on the other hand must develop a zero tolerance for
Asian chauvinism and be prepared to enforce the 1838
Act, to remove these elements from the Nation State
with assistance from other Caribbean Nations.

Shem Hotep

Thomas <agustus_thomas@...> wrote:

---------------------------------

Grenadian authorities acknowledge food for sex reports

by Leroy Noel
Thursday, September 30, 2004
ST GEORGE'S Grenada: After Grenada’s police through
its media consultant had castigated Caribbean Net News
and its local correspondent for publishing a report
that relief supplies are being traded by some members
of the security forces in exchange for sexual favours,
they have been forced to acknowledge that they have
received several reports of similar nature from the
public.
It is clear that the police and its media
representative did not investigate the facts as put
forward in the story before issuing a denial, making
it difficult to maintain such denial in the face of
public protest.
Meanwhile, members of the public have also recorded
their concern about the reported heavy alcohol
consumption of Regional Security Officers.
The men are often seen in uniform drinking rum and
photographers have already begun taking documentary
evidence, making it difficult for the police hierarchy
to deny the various reports.
In the meantime, Colonel Patrick Wallace, Commander of
the St. Kitts/Nevis Defence Force has stoutly defended
the honour and reputation of the Federation's
contingent which is presently a part of the Regional
Security System (RSS) unit, now in Grenada.
Wallace, who paid a fact-finding visit to Grenada last
week and held discussions with troops from St.
Kitts/Nevis, also spoke with a platoon from the
Antigua and Barbuda Defence Force and pointed out that
the troops are not involved in the distribution of
food supplies.
"Our troops I can say, are not involved in any relief
distribution. They are involved in re-construction
work; they are involved in security work which
involves the escorting of the port convoy and guarding
the commercial center like the banks and that sort of
thing. The St. Kitts/Nevis as well as the Antigua and
Barbuda troops are not involved in the actual
distribution so I can't say where that information
came from as it relates to St. Kitts and Nevis and I
will also put my head out also for the Antigua and
Barbuda soldiers", the military chief said.

Sun Oct 3, 2004 2:27 pm

"epitome001" <epitome001@...>
epitome001

Re: Sex For Food is a Black Eye for the Caribbean.

Great piece as usual, Doc. Sir, racism and feudalism is the
foundation of Hinduism. That's one of the reasons why the British
was able to control a population that was much larger than that of
their own.

The next race war will be in India where the darker skinned Indian
(although they are generally smarter, is treated as real outcasts).
Sir, Indians are generally a self hating people who would kill to be
white. I guess that can be said of quite a few of our own folks too.
Re: Sex For Food is a Black Eye for the Caribbean.

Tue Jan 25, 2005 2:06 am

Obi <eveton@...>
Eveton

Re: St.Kitts-Nevis has 2nd highest Debt to GDP ratio in the caribbean...........

Yeah it seem like they will listen to the Indian because he have "coolie
hair".

Sat Mar 26, 2005 1:46 pm

"S.Henry" veronica@...

Re: The Village Area

Comrade,
Miss Cara was a slim Coolie looking woman who lived in a house below Aggie Joseph
shop. She worked at Shadwell and always carried her bag to work on her head. She was
also a fussy person, and grumbled a lot to herself when she came to the water pipe.

Miss Esmie lived at the top of Millionaire street and had a beautiful flower garden. She
also had a number of fruit trees like pomegranate at the back of her house. As children
we went by her fence to beg pomegranate and steal genip. She was related to Val Morris,
his aunt or something like that.

It was pitiful, but when she aged, she became senile and went around the village collect
scrap paper. Her beautiful home was allowed to run down and she was almost destitute.

Do you or anyone remember Eulalie Buchanan?

S.H
Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:12 am
Diana Ottley diana.hunter@...

Re: The Sugar Industry? what's the plan? Labour supporters

Hi Gretna,
unfortunately, not everything goes as planned. When was the last time you visited SK?
they'll soon have secondary languages (spanish and hindu). THey even have a salsa
dance school. and these guyanses forming their own villages now. How you think aunty
Y learned Hindu? THe same ones who were supposed to move back, paid people to get
married to them so they can get their 'stay' in sk. then move in their other family
members. that's another reason why there is a man shortage in sk. cause these coolie-
indian/ spanish women taking all a dem. ( I can also get down to the real 'nitty gritty' on
politics)

On 6/13/05, pumpbay <pumpbay@...> wrote:

Diana,

The imported workers are not included in this plan. Consider them contract workers,
they came for a specific amount of time and got paid accordingly. When the work end
that's it. Companies in the US, are now subcontracting jobs, when the contract expires
that's it, unless the company renews that contract. In terms of the sugar industry, the
imported workers contract ends when the crop is over. They are not entitled to any other
compensation. They are not regular employees of the sugar industry.

Peace
Gretna

----- Original Message -----

From: Diana Ottley
To: Wendy Brown-Amory
Cc: skn@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: The Sugar Industry? what's the plan? Labour supporters

"I do agree however that work needs to be created for the Kititians..."
and the guyaneese, and Dominicans, and Trini's and whomever else the 'oh-so-smart'
government brought in.
If it was failing, no one noticed. We made it work just fine, just like chains of movie
theatres who manage to keep the failing ones open because the profit came in from
somewhere else.
so, we have to change our names now. from...Sugar City to ....tourism?
 Where do we go from here?
The bakery uptown have to change it's name. the cricket team have to change their
name. and what of our fertile soil? we gonna plant houses now? I am disappointed. i
hope Douggie knows what he's doing. Can someone ask him to email me. I need to talk
to him. SOmetimes we do things based on our own selfish needs (like Bush), without
thinking of the consequences and I think that's what he's doing. Dr. A, ask Douggie to
send me an email.

On 6/11/05, Wendy Brown-Amory <dutchessmum@... > wrote:

Diana,

From what I am led to believe. The sugar industry has been failing for years
supported by subsidising...Also I am told that fewer Kittitians were interested in cane
cutting. Those who used to be are either dead or too old to cut cane now...hense the
reason why Guyanese and other caricom nationals used to come into St.Kitts to cut cane.

St.Kitts have been diversifying by increasing farming of vegetable crops which

are a far more profitable crop than sugar. Nevis gave up the sugar industry years ago
because it was not a viable crop. Young people these days will not cut cane...therefore the
sugar industry was merely providing work for migrant workers more than for local
employment.

I do agree however that work needs to be created for the Kititians who will be
effected by the closure of the industry.....God Bless...Wendy

Diana Ottley <diana.hunter@...> wrote:

thanks for your response Kuba, but sugar doesn't cause diabetes.
and much as I respect you and your argument, you didn't quite answer my
question.
what's gonna become of the people who've been working in the
sugar engineering business for all their lives.

On 6/10/05, kuba assegai <kessegai@... > wrote:

Hotep Ottley:

You have raised the classic nonsensical argument if I

have ever seen one. Sugar granules is not only
dangerous to one's health but it has never gained a
consistent economic profit since the days of
enslavement. Development means revisiting the
logistics and methodology of one's productive base and
our Sugar Industry was an albatross around the neck of
our Nation. Not only was it unproductive and dangerous
to our health, subjecting us to mass diabetes, but it
maintained a social and cultural structure of
enslavement. In fact only PAM in their desperation
would want to continue the slave mindset among our
people.

Suffice to say, just as other developed Nations have

re-structured their economy to exclude their former
mono-productive base, SKN must move to a position of
economic diversification, to attain any form of
sustainable development. In the 1980s, when PAM took
Office, they used Massa Caines, to sabotage the Sugar
Industry, which subsequently prevented the possibility
of developing any other form of Agro-Industrial
diversification. Unfortunately, this still-birth
operation which began with Caines was continued with
Halva Hendrickson, with the arrival of the Labour
Government. To be truthful, both under Labour and PAM,
the Sugar Industry was badly managed and what we are
witnessing is the collateral fall out of 'Bad
Management'. Whereas both the Brazilians and the
Cubans are getting over a hundred economic spin-offs
from their Sugar Crops, SKN, continue to produce sugar
granules and molasses which, they gave to Antigua for
pittance.

Now that the Labour Government has made the final

decision to move out of Sugar production Kittitians
should be engaged in a debate as to how the labour
surplus will be absorbed in the new industries. The
closure along with the cessation of Sugar still leaves
the Government with a 'Supply Quota' of sugar, which
they maintain as "the Lome [1] and [2] Agreements "
allows SKN to sell to any other Sugar producing
Nation. The amount of compensation accrued in this
process from the selling of SKN's "Sugar Quota" can be
redirected to compensate and retrain many of these
workers into new [service] areas of employment.

So my dear sister, don't worry your head, Labour will

take care of everything [ tongue in cheek] in the
 fullness of time. Don't allow PAM's "Rent-A=Mouths" to
fool your little head.

< diana.hunter@... > wrote:

> "As of July 31st you are no longer employed"

>
> So what's the plan now? Can someone share some
> insights with me as to
> what the plans are when the factory closes.
>

Thu Aug 10, 2006 1:33 am

"epitome001" <epitome001@...>
epitome001
Re: How dey trying to OUTSMART us with the SMART card !!

He kept cheating in order to keep them choopit Guyanese Black people

in office and to stop them from trading away their land (given to
them for free) to Mr. Coolie Man in exchange for liquor. Well he
lost that battle. Trinidad and Nevis (maybe even St. Kitts) is up
next. Boy Stocky, things are not always what they seem.

Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:11 pm

"epitome001" <epitome001@...>
epitome001

Re: Is The SKN List A Political Medium? Blame it on the jokers from Nevis.

Sir I concur. Anyhow, all this tribalism and silliness must be

placed at the feet of the three or four CCM tribal anarchists. We
all know who they are.

While these jokers get up here on a daily basis talking crap boat
Sinkitt dis an Sinkitt dat, the Guyanese Indian is taking
Charlestown and the rest of Nevis right out of their hands. Half of
them(the Indians)already live in Bath Village, the home of the top
secessionist(Hull).

The Joshi brothers out of India have cleaned their(Neewis people)

clocks a second time in two years, winning the top honours (12 CXC
subjects). Kittitians, hold strain. It's only a matter of a short
five to ten years before the Guyanese Coolie Man will do to them
what they did to Afro Guyanese. Hold strain folks. Better days are
coming.

Thu Sep 28, 2006 3:59 am

Pamella Tuitt <tantiep@...>
Tantiep

Re: Is The SKN List A Political Medium? Blame it on the jokers from Nevis.

"It's only a matter of a short

five to ten years before the Guyanese Coolie Man will do to them
what they did to Afro Guyanese."

A no aryou goin say a farce, but me no k.

A wa dey do to de afro guyanese?

ONE LOVE.

Thu Sep 28, 2006 6:54 am

Obi <eveton@...>
Eveton

Re: Is The SKN List A Political Medium? Blame it on the jokers from Nevis.

Pam...its a bad idea to encourage a mangy dawg by giving it bones. I am sure you saw the
sign that said don't feed the dawgs

Thu Sep 28, 2006 11:16 am

Pamella Tuitt <tantiep@...>
Tantiep

Re: Is The SKN List A Political Medium? Blame it on the jokers from Nevis.

Yeah! I saw it but I still fed you.

ONE LOVE.

Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:04 pm

"Kitti-to-de-bone 100%" <onenutjob@...>
junie185

Re: Is The SKN List A Political Medium? Blame it on the jokers from Nevis.
Epi you miss one important one which is the Nevis men and women are loosing their
wives and girlfriends, husband and boyfriends to these coolie hair men and women. Of
late the spanish men and women are doing the same thing.
So what you think going to happen.

Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:23 am

"epitome001" <epitome001@...>
epitome001

Re: We did it! Well said Immanuel. I say let Nevis and their Coolies gu lang.

Well said Immanuel. However, it's my hope that the coolies do take
over Nevis. I pray. Those coolies were as racist towards the African
in Kenya and Uganda as the Whites were. They are not our friends.
Never were.

You can visit every nook and cranny in Nevis and there's a coolie
man. And most Nevisians have embraced them with a passion while they
continue to launch their tribal attacks on us proud Kittitians(with
the help of our many back stabbing traitors). I say, let Nevis go.

While standing in one of those little parks there on Main Street in

Nevis recently, I heard a Guyanese exclaim to a Nevisian, "Hey black
man!" But then I also heard a black Nevisian woman refer to DIS-N-
DAT as our Indian king(as he passed by in their "culturama" parade).
I swear. We are a sorry set.

Thu Aug 30, 2007 3:35 am

"epitome001" <epitome001@...>
epitome001

Re: We did it!

Immanuel, as the old folks say, thank God for folks like you. You
are one of our bright lights. That Mahatma Ghandi you hear these
black people up here quoting on a daily basis, he too was also a no
good back stabbing bigot.

Ghandi is not all that he's cracked up to be, it was an

Outcast/Dalit in India who took the struggle to the British, but
upper class Brahman Ghandi got the light. As another tribalist here
always exclaim, things are not always as they seem!
Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:02 am
videsha sarjoo <nevishinduqueen@...>
nevishinduqueen@

Boy, o boy. We did it once again. I never knew I would live to see the day when
Guyanese would have so much power in this country. We gave Mr. Brantley our votes
and lo and behold, he won the election. What puzzled me was how come he only won by
30 votes when over 200 Guyanese voted for him. Does this mean the local people voted
for Hensley? What about the spanish votes and the white people votes? Looks to me that
foreigners are in control here.

We already have the education and the wealth but to see we now have the power is really
satisfying. I still think I will live to see one of my own rule this little island. Before
anyone of you decide to attack, think about how many straight hair babies are born here
every year. They are full fledged Nevisians like anyone else. To the end of the day, we
always support our own, so think what would happen if one of us should run for a
seat.........

Wed Aug 29, 2007 6:51 pm

"sinkkittsman" <sinkkittsman@...>
sinkkittsman

Re: We did it!

I can't believe fellas like Obi would weigh in on this when it was his
boy, "Jonny Bravo" who came in here courting the Coolie Vote with
these people and their ravenous belly aches.

I meant to say, those people (Asian Indians) aren't Guyanese,

Guyanese, in any sense of the word. They are the very remnants of the
British Indentured Servitude construct, put there after slavery to
always displace the Blacks wherever they are found, and to do so with
the racist straight hair twirl of the tongue, so Idiots like Mark
Brantley and dumb bell Obi might get their asses in place and
understand themselves in the Presence of the swindling Indian
transplant where the majority carry this ill notion that they are
better suited to this world than the Blacks of the diaspora.

They openly refer to Blacks all across the world as lazy people. They
can very well revise history today, as such is afforded them by
Politicians like Mark Brantley and block of ice, Obi. This is quite a
proxy for the British/ White Supremacy rule there, ain it?

This is one of the reasons they can take it upon themselves and
declare that Blacks aren't too smart, and have contributed very little
to the world in science and industry. The Chinks aren't any different,
and I can only guess that the british pretty much burnt this into
their DNA to the point that one wonders if these people are the
Neanderthals of Asia.

The Island of St Kitts is not Nevisians problems. Nevis Secession is

not you people's problem, either. It is no wonder Mark, with pin prick
ease, refers to Nevisians living in St Kitts as "House Niggas (he must
have some real Guyanes friends, wouldn't you say?). He did let on that
he had a conversation with the straight hair people he say he picked
up on the road. But, he did not say if they at all mentioned that some
people in the Federation are referred to as Niggas. We all know they
refer to us all as such, but to fuse this with what emanates out of
supposed learned people in Nevis' CCM is really cause for assessment.
This Mark set out to polarize the electorate, now look what we have here?

I need not mention the Neighborhoods in the US and elsewhere where,

they are sometimes taken pity upon, befriended on he scales of
humanity, and lo and behold, within a good 90 days (after rubbing off
the oil from the red herring in a piece of bread to meet each payday
to pick up 3 squares), they tool themselves to displace and undermine
the people around them and bring in their criminals to run the place,
while they walk about all holy and sanctimonious in their dirty asses.

The Italians are just their match - they don't try any of that
nonsense pass Little Italy, but they want to try out their hands on
the nonchalant Small Islander in Nevis and wherever they can crack a
smile and render trusting Blacks docile and totally ignorant. Not even
Africans can stand most of them in Africa - They usually side with the
Whites, except for a few respectable and notable "Heroes and Sheroes"
in South African and Kenya. We all know what Idi Amin had to do when
he flushed his toilet on Britain, America and Canada, when he sent
those Leeches packing out of a polarized Uganda, corroded evermore by
the Indian element.

They had to go... an it ain now so.

I for one don't think the Smaller Islands are going to take the crap
you guys pulled off for years in places like Trinidad; Jamaica;
Guyana; Grenada; etc. From the informer to the Politician, not one of
them put in a bag can be trusted. Even the ones who can't read too
well always want to pull some crap like nobody done study them at a
distant glance.

This lady is spewing what she hears around the four walls that
Nevisians have given these people for a home. They spawn all over the
place like long haired spiders, weaving a web of deceit and
displacement. This nasty bitch don't seem at all phased by her
accounts on election day, and what the plans were in place after some
planning with CCM, it appears.

While she exudes an out-pouring of love for Mark and CCM, after such a
close call at the Polls, a plan gone well it seems, she has let on
that the CCM and Mark were conned into accepting them into Nevis
society, while at the onset, the whole lot seems up to no god damned good.

I am already suspicious about the poll that netted Jonny Bravo the
Federal seat. It is a good thing they kept their mouths shut, for we
might have had the same situation that engulfed the Guyanese electoral
system into a near non-functional protocol of society, all because the
Indians with the hatred and backwardness, want to rule all things in
Guyana and elsewhere, as it is clear that their "Buffer assignment"
given them by the British, has yet to come to a lull.

The Coolie influence is nothing but a weed in the growth path of the
Black man. They have no compunction about their greedy and hateful
ways. Whatever hate is coming their way now, is testament to what this
Hindi piece of shit is emboldened to trumpet, as it comes straight
from her group of conspirators, all in the fold of that long charter
prescribed by the British, and that is to liberate the black man's
earnings from him, just as they've been brought to buffer the
emancipated slaves from owning the lands after slavery.

No good scum, MOST of them!

Immanuel.

Aug 30, 2007 3:23 am

"epitome001" <epitome001@...>
epitome001

Re: We did it! Well said Immanuel. I say let Nevis and their Coolies gu lang.

Well said Immanuel. However, it's my hope that the coolies do take
over Nevis. I pray. Those coolies were as racist towards the African
in Kenya and Uganda as the Whites were. They are not our friends.
Never were.

You can visit every nook and cranny in Nevis and there's a coolie
man. And most Nevisians have embraced them with a passion while they
continue to launch their tribal attacks on us proud Kittitians(with
the help of our many back stabbing traitors). I say, let Nevis go.

While standing in one of those little parks there on Main Street in

Nevis recently, I heard a Guyanese exclaim to a Nevisian, "Hey black
man!" But then I also heard a black Nevisian woman refer to DIS-N-
DAT as our Indian king(as he passed by in their "culturama" parade).
I swear. We are a sorry set.

Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:25 am

"sinkkittsman" <sinkkittsman@...>
sinkkittsman

Re: We did it! Well said Immanuel. I say let Nevis and their Coolies gu lang.

Epitome:

you tink they goin take over Nevis? LOL! I really have to laugh, given
the crap some Nevisians go around the globe tear jerking about
Kittitians and how they feel like back seat passengers. Meanwhile, the
Guyanese Indian is there on the sideline cranking out babies like a
24/7 manufacturing plant in Nevis, all to facilitate a grander scheme
to displace the Black Masses once more, as they have done in Guyana
and Trinidad under British Mandate. In this case, Nevisians have opted
to give them the shop, all because they have "nice hair," it appears.

There is no other way to put it. I cannot see why they would put these
Deli Rats on a pedestol above Kittitians, when in fact, they have
demonstrated in past and present contacts with them that they hold no
feelings towards us, but to displace our peoples for generations to come.

Epitome, I am sure you have heard of the many stories written up in

the papers about the way these people conduct their affairs. Criminals
are their heroes, and they tend to look the other way, once they and
their friends benefit from the fleecing they are prone to visit upon
every group their nasty-ass worm themselves between.

I hate being around them. Period! The bullshit cannot stop running
when it comes to that Curry diet, it appears.

Those Trini ones aint so bad yet, but mix it all up and you have a big
bang in the works there for our micro States. Every year, the US
papers are filled with the exploits of these people, some doing in
their very own to feel the nightmare of the American Dream.

I recall a recent trial in the New York Criminal court where, one
Guyanese guy and his other relatives was whoring out the Sister in
Law, and at the same time taking out life insurance on her Husband and
anything Moving with a heart beat in NYC. It turns out he and his
family preyed on unsuspecting Homeless Guyanese Indian and Trini
Indian men, taking out hefty life insurance for them in his insurance
company then had the poor people murdered to collect the money through
the whoring Sister in Law.

Also, I have a friend who had a bit of a run in with a couple of them,
including those who are in Law Enforcement in NYC and others who
walking around playing big in dey sour ass.

They even encourage the Kids to steal from people and bring home the
spoils to mommyand daddy. This one is what really turned my mind away
from these people, after one of their Kids brushed up on one of my
colleague and stole the money right off him in the presence of his
Parents. I will never forget this.

The whole neighborhood must have shown up at the eatery to pick more
pockets, because they didn't see anything wrong with some Kid
accompanied by his Parents, brushing up against a customer and the man
money disappears. I was not about to let it go like that. I made hell!
Besides, the ones who own stores and shops have a way, they like to
follow you around the stores as if you going out the door with the
entire inventory. They have no place in our society.

In that incident, it was the Owner of the eatery who gave the money
back, as I told him what time it was, if he did not fix this mess with
his thieving kind hanging around the joint waiting for people to turn
their heads and the ten or twenty dollars disappear down a curry hole.

I doan play wid dem. Nevisians and Kittitians shouldn't either. They
are, sad to say, a scheming hate filled bunch, having no feelings
whatsoever, for anybody but themselves and by themselves they belong.
I believe it won't be too long after they are sent packing into their
own little enclaves, long after they are side lined by many a groups
in the Caribbean and elsewhere if they don't watch it. Ebven in this
case, they will eventually eat each other to quench that insatiable
greed.

In regards to the many fears that they will over run the place like
the rats that they are, due to the CSME, these people should be put on
leashes, given their advent in the region, cooked up by the British to
keep down the Black man. They continue to exhibit these very designs
of the British and they can only pay for their nasty, scheming and
murdering ways, by allotting that non repentant element minimum
acceptance into the CSME. If this measure is not taken into account to
set a quota on these Coolies, the whole place will go to shit.

If anybody thinks this Lady's post is as benign as a garden weed

sprouting, they need to examine the roots before they embark on
referring to anybody of African origin, Racist, towards these nasty
don't like to bathe F**kers.

Immanuel.

Wed Aug 29, 2007 2:05 pm

Nevisian Pride <nvsnpride@...>
Nvsnpride

Re: We did it!

Guyanese;
You raise up an ants nest here. A hope you could handle the stings you get on this list for
doing that!!! NO GUYANESE WILL EVER RULE THIS LITTLE PARADISE.
NONE!!!!! We welcome you as a people to better your lives as people all over the world
(Nevisians included) migrate in search of better. But to rule Nevis!!!!!!! NEVER!!!!!!

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:12 am

Diana Ottley <diana.hunter@...>
d_hunter24

Re: The Sugar Industry? what's the plan? Labour supporters

Hi Gretna,
unfortunately, not everything goes as planned. When was the last time you visited SK?
they'll soon have secondary languages (spanish and hindu). THey even have a salsa
dance school. and these guyanses forming their own villages now. How you think aunty
Y learned Hindu? THe same ones who were supposed to move back, paid people to get
married to them so they can get their 'stay' in sk. then move in their other family
members. that's another reason why there is a man shortage in sk. cause these coolie-
indian/ spanish women taking all a dem. ( I can also get down to the real 'nitty gritty' on
politics)

On 6/13/05, pumpbay <pumpbay@...> wrote:

Diana,

The imported workers are not included in this plan. Consider them contract workers,
they came for a specific amount of time and got paid accordingly. When the work end
that's it. Companies in the US, are now subcontracting jobs, when the contract expires
that's it, unless the company renews that contract. In terms of the sugar industry, the
imported workers contract ends when the crop is over. They are not entitled to any other
compensation. They are not regular employees of the sugar industry.

Peace
Gretna

----- Original Message -----

From: Diana Ottley
To: Wendy Brown-Amory
Cc: skn@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: The Sugar Industry? what's the plan? Labour supporters

"I do agree however that work needs to be created for the Kititians..."

and the guyaneese, and Dominicans, and Trini's and whomever else the 'oh-so-smart'
government brought in.
If it was failing, no one noticed. We made it work just fine, just like chains of movie
theatres who manage to keep the failing ones open because the profit came in from
somewhere else.
so, we have to change our names now. from...Sugar City to ....tourism?
Where do we go from here?
The bakery uptown have to change it's name. the cricket team have to change their
name. and what of our fertile soil? we gonna plant houses now? I am disappointed. i
hope Douggie knows what he's doing. Can someone ask him to email me. I need to talk
to him. SOmetimes we do things based on our own selfish needs (like Bush), without
thinking of the consequences and I think that's what he's doing. Dr. A, ask Douggie to
send me an email.

On 6/11/05, Wendy Brown-Amory <dutchessmum@... > wrote:

Diana,

From what I am led to believe. The sugar industry has been failing for years
supported by subsidising...Also I am told that fewer Kittitians were interested in cane
cutting. Those who used to be are either dead or too old to cut cane now...hense the
reason why Guyanese and other caricom nationals used to come into St.Kitts to cut cane.

St.Kitts have been diversifying by increasing farming of vegetable crops which

are a far more profitable crop than sugar. Nevis gave up the sugar industry years ago
because it was not a viable crop. Young people these days will not cut cane...therefore the
sugar industry was merely providing work for migrant workers more than for local
employment.

I do agree however that work needs to be created for the Kititians who will be
effected by the closure of the industry.....God Bless...Wendy

Diana Ottley <diana.hunter@...> wrote:

thanks for your response Kuba, but sugar doesn't cause diabetes.
and much as I respect you and your argument, you didn't quite answer my
question.
what's gonna become of the people who've been working in the
sugar engineering business for all their lives.

On 6/10/05, kuba assegai <kessegai@... > wrote:

Hotep Ottley:

You have raised the classic nonsensical argument if I

have ever seen one. Sugar granules is not only
dangerous to one's health but it has never gained a
consistent economic profit since the days of
enslavement. Development means revisiting the
logistics and methodology of one's productive base and
our Sugar Industry was an albatross around the neck of
our Nation. Not only was it unproductive and dangerous
to our health, subjecting us to mass diabetes, but it
maintained a social and cultural structure of
enslavement. In fact only PAM in their desperation
would want to continue the slave mindset among our
people.

Suffice to say, just as other developed Nations have

re-structured their economy to exclude their former
mono-productive base, SKN must move to a position of
economic diversification, to attain any form of
sustainable development. In the 1980s, when PAM took
Office, they used Massa Caines, to sabotage the Sugar
Industry, which subsequently prevented the possibility
of developing any other form of Agro-Industrial
diversification. Unfortunately, this still-birth
operation which began with Caines was continued with
Halva Hendrickson, with the arrival of the Labour
 Government. To be truthful, both under Labour and PAM,
the Sugar Industry was badly managed and what we are
witnessing is the collateral fall out of 'Bad
Management'. Whereas both the Brazilians and the
Cubans are getting over a hundred economic spin-offs
from their Sugar Crops, SKN, continue to produce sugar
granules and molasses which, they gave to Antigua for
pittance.

Now that the Labour Government has made the final

decision to move out of Sugar production Kittitians
should be engaged in a debate as to how the labour
surplus will be absorbed in the new industries. The
closure along with the cessation of Sugar still leaves
the Government with a 'Supply Quota' of sugar, which
they maintain as "the Lome [1] and [2] Agreements "
allows SKN to sell to any other Sugar producing
Nation. The amount of compensation accrued in this
process from the selling of SKN's "Sugar Quota" can be
redirected to compensate and retrain many of these
workers into new [service] areas of employment.

So my dear sister, don't worry your head, Labour will

take care of everything [ tongue in cheek] in the
fullness of time. Don't allow PAM's "Rent-A=Mouths" to
fool your little head.

< diana.hunter@... > wrote:

> "As of July 31st you are no longer employed"

>
> So what's the plan now? Can someone share some
> insights with me as to
> what the plans are when the factory closes.
>

Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:58 pm

pembertoncyp@...
Carleenyp

Re: FW: The Plight of the Guyanese Migrant Worker

The words of Paul comes to mind when he said his frequent travels were in perils of
rivers, in perils of outlaws, in perils of the town, in perils of his countrymen, in perils of
false brethren and in perils of robbers. What Paul described, somehow, I get the feeling
that this is not the situation here in Nevis, for Guyanese migrant workers. There is
something about this article that sends out a false SOS alarm. Nevis is home to so many
Guyanese migrant workers, that something must be going good for them here, or else,
they would have already packed up and find other resourceful places, like when they left
Guyana for greener pastures here in Nevis. I have Guyanese friends whom I have the
utmost respect for. They are hard working and they will give you an honest day's work,
but firstly, the level of blame must be directed only at the Guyanese leader, for chasing
his people out of Guyana in large numbers.

Secondly, Guyana is the worst model for democracy. Guyanese are no strangers to
protest of political nature. The isolated situation we had in Nevis concerning
questionable Guyanese voter registrants, did take its rightful and legal course of action. It
is a democratic right for people to protest something that imperils them. It must not be
seen as something sinister, when protest is necessary. You should feel proud to convey to
the world that democracy here in Nevis, is growing in all of its splendor. Whereas, in
Guyana, Guyanese would have encountered bloodshed and even death, if they were to
protest questionable registrants on the voters list.

Guyanese living on Nevis feels more privileged to vote in Nevis, than they are in
Guyana. Guyana has its own lingering electoral problems, so much that elections usually
causes instability in Guyana. Just before Guyana had its recent elections, I asked a
Guyanese friend if her family was going home to vote, she adamantly said "no way, the
risk is too great." Guyanese will be the first to tell you that they are feeling quite happy
living here in Nevis, when compared to their experiences living on other foreign soil and
most importantly at home in Guyana. They would also tell you that living in Nevis has
improved their standard of living tremendously. There may be some isolated cases of
abuse of migrant workers, but not at this alarming rate that I am gathering from this
article. "Life is good here," is what most Guyanese will tell you.

Every country when opening up its borders to visitors and migrant workers, first study
the social problems of certain nationals from other countries before opening up its
borders to them, considering that they will take their bad habits wherever they go.
Nationals here agrees that Guyana's racial problems can likely develop on our shores, if
their growth keeps up with the way it is going. We have to prevent this kind of racial
problems from festering on Nevis, by looking at the root of the problem and use
prevention methods to stop this from happening. The root of what could be our problem
is to limit the Guyanese populace on the island. By all account, the then opposition
leader was absolutely correct with his method of calculation about the fast growth of this
group of people on Nevis, considering all of the factors involved at our risk of being kind
to an unfortunate group of people that Canada, England and the United States and the
wider Caribbean have used firm restrictions against, if they are to enter their borders.
It's good to see someone from little Nevis looking out for people of Guyanese
background, while Canada, England and the United States would screen their visa
applications vigorously, but lest not forget that little Nevis seems to have been fearlessly
extending its welcome mat all along, to this ostracized group of people. Evidently,
Guyanese are the top minority group here on Nevis.

I believe then, that the growing population of Guyanese in Nevis, seems more of a
problem that needs to be addressed, than some isolated case of Guyanese being
victimized by an employer. Nationals of every other country gets fearful when other
nationals come to their shores to look for a better way of living. Life is no way near a
bed of roses for Nevsians when they initially arrived at another country looking for work.

Every other country out there are using strict measures to protect their borders.
Advanced countries such as Canada, England and the United States have said they had
enough of Guyanese lawlessness, and not overlooking the fact that Guyanese have the
highest HIV AIDS cases in the Caribbean. This is frightening news for any friendly
neighbour to Guyana, such as Nevis, who has been quite willing to open its borders to
them.

Nevis has been one of the most friendly place along the Caribbean basin, for Guyanese to
settle and find work. So, while it is good to see a kind attorney is looking out for our
Guyanese friends, and since they are not nearly made to feel ostracized, to the level of
that at home in Guyana, all will agree that little Nevis with its limited resources can never
be the Saviour of the Guyanese migrant workers plight.

Above all else, Guyanese will honestly tell you that they feel quite at home in Nevis, and
that their standard of living has improved by one hundred percent, when compared to
their socioeconomic dilemma in Guyana. Nevis has always been a friendly neighbor to
Guyanese whose outward appearance shows to be quite content and settled here in Nevis,
knowing they have escaped horrible existing living conditions in their homeland of
Guyana, who has the third highest poverty rate in the world. You should have seen the
Guyanese response to the "Nevis Nice" calypso that was played the Sunday evening,
when the Guyanese Cricketers came to Nevis to play in the National Heroes Day 20-20
cricket games at Grove Park. They were dancing and singing with much felicity, and I do
believe it was not because they were winning the cricket match only, but it is because of
the generosity of Nevisians, that is extended to them, as they choose to make Nevis their
home away from home.

St Kitts sugar factory receives last canes

Reprinted from Caribbean Net News
caribbeannetnews.com

Monday, July 25, 2005

SSMC locomotives # 15 and # 1, criss-cross each other

bringing the last tonnes of cane for grinding

Minister of Agriculture, Cedric Liburd speaking in a

short ceremony to commemorate the arrival of the
last trucks with cane to the Sugar Factory
Dwyer Astaphan, Joseph Alfred, Cedric Liburd, Nigel
Carty and Mrs. Telca Wallace as they view the
locomotives arriving with the last canes for grinding.
Photos by Erasmus Williams
Monday, July 25, 2005

BASSETERRE, St. Kitts: It is a day that will go down in the annals of the history of St.
Kitts and Nevis, when at 1:15 P.M. on Friday 22nd July 2005, flower-decorated
locomotives with their sirens and horns blaring, brought the last the tonnes of cane to
sugar factory for grinding from the fields.

Several sugar workers from field and factory witnessed two locomotives – one travelling
from the West and the other from the North - crisscrossed each other in the presence of
several Ministers of Government, officials and news media representatives, just outside
the Communications Office in the factory yard.

Loco # 15 which came from the North with 15 full carts was driven by Leroy Taylor with
Dennis Arthurton and Keith Garnett as switchers. Loco # 1 with 17 full carts, had Keith
Powell as the driver and E. Smith and Cleon Carty as switchers and came from the West.

In brief remarks during a short ceremony presided over by Press Secretary to the Prime
Minister, Mr. Erasmus Williams; Minister of Housing, Agriculture, Fisheries and
Consumer Affairs, Cedric Liburd, said the debt of the St. Kitts Sugar Manufacturing
Corporation is now at a staggering EC$350 million.

“We have done all that we can to save the sugar industry, but because of the high cost of
production in relation to monies received and the pending 39 percent reduction for sugar
bought from the ACP countries including St. Kitts and Nevis, we had to take that
decision,” said Minister Liburd.

He noted that since the official announcement was made in the Speech from The Throne
by the Governor General Sir Cuthbert Sebastian that 2005 would be the last year for
harvesting of sugar canes, there has been widespread discussions on the imminent closure
of the loss making industry.
Minister Liburd said following discussions with the Ministry of Agriculture and the
SSMC, a Transition Office was established with the assistance of the International
Institute for Co-operation in Agriculture (IICA), which is financing the Team Leader in
the person of Mr. Gordon Alert of Jamaica.

He said the plans that were drawn up for closure of the industry also included plans for
the future of a sugar cane industry.

“It has been said that we need to look at using the sugar cane plant for a rum industry,
animal feed, the co-generation of electricity and the production of ethanol,” said Minister
Liburd. He said the Transition Team has been mandated to carry out feasibility studies to
ascertain the viability of those projects.

Non-sugar agriculture will play an important role in the diversification of this sector and
over 1,500 acres of land has been distributed to farmers for food crop and livestock
production aimed at providing more fruits, vegetables and meat for local and overseas
consumption.

He said a Marketing Study, presented by the Caribbean Agricultural Development

Institute (CARDI) has outlined the steps to be taken to achieve these goals.

The SSMC Transition Team has been holding meetings with sugar workers in island wide
town hall meetings over the past several months.

Following the completion of negotiations on the redundancy of the sugar workers

between the St. Kitts-Nevis Trades and Labour Union and the St. Kitts Sugar
Manufacturing Corporation (SSMC), union officials held meetings with workers on the
field side of the sugar industry at Tabernacle and the Verchilds High School at 8:30 A.M.
and 10:00 A.M. respectively on Friday.

Field workers from St. Peters and factory employees will meet with the officials of the
Union at 9:00 A.M. on Saturday 23rd July at the Factory Social Centre.

St. Kitts and Nevis Prime Minister Dr Denzil Douglas and other Cabinet Ministers will
meet all sugar workers at 3:00 P.M. at the Factory Social Centre on Tuesday 26th July.
Minister Liburd, along with other officials of the Union and the SSMC, are expected to
attend the meeting.

The St. Kitts Sugar Industry began losing money in 1980. Since the mid-1980's, the
industry has been importing overseas cane cutters to harvest the sugar crop. This year
some 232 cane cutters from Guyana and 75 from the Dominican Republic have been
recruited. Only 60 locals are cane cutters are on the pay roll.

A SSMC Sugar Transition Team has been installed and has been holding discussions with
the St. Kitts-Nevis Trades and Labour Union on severance and other benefits for the
workers. Team members as well as officials from the Ministry of Social Development and
the Department of Labour have had extensive discussions island-wide with workers on
the exit strategy from sugar. Highest priority is being given to the re-training and re-
orientation and assistance to the workers.

A Ministerial Committee of the Cabinet also liaise with the Transition Team and provides
a weekly update to the Cabinet.

Reprinted from Caribbean Net News

caribbeannetnews.com

Mr Brantley should be more rigorous in his analysis

Thursday, October 26, 2006

I just read with interest Mr Brantley's commentary about alleged abuse meted out to
Guyanese by their Caribbean brothers and sisters.

Permit me a few observations.

There are two major racial groups in Guyana; those of African heritage and those of East
Indian. The latter group were brougt into the British Empire by the British not just for
indentured labour but for the more insidious purpose of being a buffer between the
African majority and the European minority.

As such the East Indians enjoyed certain advantages that were denied Africans. Indeed it
is alleged that one of the major roles of Barclays Bank in the empire was to provide easy
access to capital for Indians while denying it to Africans who wished to establish
commercial and industrial enterprises. The experience in Africa and to a lesser degree in
the Caribbean would appear to bear out that observation.

Whatever one may think of Idi Amin, at the time of his forced exodus of East Indians
from Uganda, he had the support of the Ugandans because, with the help of the British,
Ugandans had been shut out of commercial activity by the stranglehold on the economy
by East Indians who despised the Ugandans and flaunted their position in the face of the
Ugandans.

Today the descendants of those East Indians in Guayana and the Caribbean, continue to
believe that they are superior to those of African descent. Indeed on a recent visit to
Nevis where I was born I observed and learned that Nevisians, a normally hospitable
people, were, for the first time in their history, expressing concern over the presence of
the East Indian Guyanese. And the reason? Because some of the East Indian Guyanese
had expressed the opinion that Nevisians did not know how to run their own country and
that they would soon take it over and do so for them. I doubt anyone could continue
feeling charitable toward a guest who dispised your hospitality.

The evidence suggests that for whatever reasons, Guyanese of Indian descent have
proven to be less inclined to adapt and accept the Caribbean homes to which they have
been forced in order to earn a living. Their attitudes toward the African majorities are
responsible in large measure for the backlash they presently experience throughout the
region.

As a lawyer, Mr Brantley appreciates that a case is built on distinguishing the points at

issue. It is disingenious of him to speak of Guyanese and ignore the distinctions that do
exist and the behaviours that flow therefrom.

Charity does begin at home but Mr Brantley should be more rigorous in his analysis of
the challenges East Indian Guyanese face, challenges brought about in large measure by
their attitudes and behaviour.

Thank you.

CE Huggins