Anda di halaman 1dari 14

Rajesh

Serendipity from Sanskrit word


Serendipity means sudden and unexpected discoveries, has originated from Swarna dweep old
name of srilanka. The discoverer wanted to search something else but he discovered swarna
dweep. which was pronounced by him as serendip which late got converted to serendipity

5 ஜூைை
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
Serendipity is from Tamil word
i strongly objted that the word Serendipity is derived from Sanskrit word
Serendipity. truly sri lanka is named for gem (Rathna or Rathinam) and not for swarna (Gold).
i think you got it.

it is derived from Tamil words Cheran (kingd of chera- Present Kerala State) and Teevu
(island). earlier, people from Kerala i.e. Eeluva Thiyya community were settled in Srilanka.
hence Srilanka was also called as Eelam. Therefore it is island (Teevu) of chera people
(Eeluva) and thereby its cheran's (Seren) Teevu (dipity).

over build ups in air would not help sanskrti as mother of all languages of the world. even the
english word "all" is derived from "ellaa" a Tamil Word.

5 ஜூைை
सौरभ.
ravi its okay we could accept your theory , but ேேரன "cheran " peoples island that is தீவம
teevu , this teevu is becoming deep as per your saying, but this deep ? where did it came from
? sanskrit ? or u wanna say it came in sanskrit from tamil ...how would u proove that its the
otherway round...more over you find sanskrit domination whole of the lingual kingdom of
subcontinent and endo european languages too ...where is your tamil and her roots ?

8 ஜூைை
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
do you agree that gems (rathna) will include gold. Sri lanka is name for for gem (rathna
dweepa, ) and not for gold (Swarna Dweepa). That analysed word deep is not derived from
sanskrit but from Tamil. you could prove only with regard to dipity if i agree and not against
seren.

if you say that it is derived from marathi, i will applause. if you want to prove sanskrit mother
of all languages of the world, you should research all those language. you like marathi people
first learn marathi and sanskrit, and then all research all languages of the world. i am doing
the same. dont treat this scrap as scraped with hatred, but this is the fact.

Sanskrit is created by Tamils e.g. sage agasthya, to preserve and hide some secret should not
reach common people, thats why vedas in Tamil were called as MaRai (hide).
9 ஜூைை
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
even the word lanka denoting present srilanka is derived from the Tamil word Ilangu which
means island. Tamilian call lanka as ilangai because it is an island. The Tamil word Ilangu for
island is comparable wih English/Latin words, Isle and Island.

Sanskrit Etymology for Dweep for Island is not agreeable. these etymologist give the meaning
of land surrounded two side for the word Dweep. Then what is the word for land surrounded
by land one, three and all sides in Sanskrit. They could give the words Ekapa, thrypa, nanapa
(nana=all) to those lands. they could not explain it at all as there are no such words in
Sanskrit.

the word Theevu and Dweepa is derived from the Tamil word Thippai which means land
created by soil or sand in river or sea. thippai->theepam->Theevam, theevu-> Dweep.

1 ஆகஸட
Rajesh
Serendipity from Sanskrit not Tamil..!!
Ravi ji,

There is disconnect between the tiltle of the thread and the verbose explaination given by you.

You didn't state what the etymology of swarna in tamil??

so far as dweep is concerned....can't it be otherwise, given below???

Dweep-> theevu->Theevam->theepam->thippai

The above is supposed to be derived as the words below

Mahendra(sanskrit)-> Mahendran(Tamil)
Tilak (Sanskrit) -> Thilagan (Tamil)
Surya(Sanskrit) -> Suryam (Sanskrit)

1 ஆகஸட
Daisy
Tamil in itself is actually derived from Sanskrit. Which is why lot of Tamil words are similar to
Sanskrit.

4 ஆகஸட
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
Mahendra(sanskrit)-> Mahendran(Tamil)
Tilak (Sanskrit) -> Thilagan (Tamil)
Surya(Sanskrit) -> Suryam (Sanskrit)
*****

Dear Mr. Rajesh, these words are Tabhava of sanskrit. In Tamil Sanskrit words never allowed in
its script and pronouncication. Most of dravidian including Telugu language, Tatsama and
Tatbhava mode was used as against direct usage of sanskrit mode. The same case is availlable
in present north indian languages also.

it doesn't mean Tamil was derived from sanskrit. both are different in grammer and etymology.
Even sanskrit grammer is not common to indo european languages.

4 ஆகஸட
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
*****Tamil in itself is actually derived from Sanskrit. Which is why lot of Tamil words are
similar to Sanskrit.

Dear madam

it is also proved by named etymologist that there are several Tamil words in sanskrit language.

4 ஆகஸட
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
****

You didn't state what the etymology of swarna in tamil??

Dear Mr. Rajesh

The sanskrit scholers state that the etymology of swarna was derived from su+varna that
means good colour. then swarna alone is having good colour and rest of gems are not having
good colour according to them. what a thinking.

The true Tamil Etymology is "sol" which means red and shining. from it, the Tamil word
Sonnam was derived. still sanskrit scholors use both suwarna and swarna without giving
proper etymology.

as i told earlier, sri lanka is named for rathna/Mani(Gems) and not for swarna (Gold). The
word Cheran was the correct application for the word "seren"
Rajesh
Ravi ji,

Anybody will accept Srilanka was known previously Swarna Dweep (not cheran theevu )
because of Golden Lanka over there as stated in Ramayana if you have read it.

If Cheran King was so famous why no body knew about him except Tamils or Keralites?
Moreover, Cheran was king of Keral not Lanka, so why lanka be called cheran theevu?
I know swarna = su+varna.......still both these splitted words are sankrit!!.....

Again,

Swarna Dweep > Seren Dip (as per foreign prnounciation) > Serendipity

9 ஆகஸட
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
****If Cheran King was so famous why no body knew about him except Tamils or Keralites?
Moreover, Cheran was king of Keral not Lanka, so why lanka be called cheran theevu?

Dear Mr. Rajesh,

i never said that Cheran was a name of a king. Chera is Tamil Name for Kerala country. The
people of Eeluva migrated to present Srilanka. Thats why, Srilanka is also called as Eelam. In
that country Tamil Tigers demands Tamil "Eelam" country. moreover, Srilankan Tamil is quite
the same as Malayalam except grammer. In Srilanka, Sanskrit never spoken language.
Singalese and esp Tamil are the predominent languages in Srilanka.

In sanskrit dictionaries, Srilanka is named for rathnadweepa and not for swarnadeepa.

In Tamil, Ilangu means shining like gem/Mani. Hence Tamilian calls Srilanka as Ilangai which
means the shining country (due to Gem). More particularly Ilangu also means island. Hence
the Srilanka was also called as ilangai as it is an island.

Since it was an island belonging to Chera(Kerala) Country, the Cholas and Pandyas always
waged a war against Srilanka to extend their territory which is near to Chola and Pandya
Kingdoms comparing to Chera.

In Sanskrit, the etymology of Swarna and dweepa is joking. swarna means good colour and
dweepa means island surrounded by two side according to sanskrit pundits. truley Srilanka is
surrounded by sea all sides. All metals and gems including gold are having good colour. but
accoring to sanskritan pandits, gold alone is having good colour. In sanskrit dictionary, there is
a word only for island surrounded by two sides alone. if the land is surrounded by one, three
or all sides, they don't have word for that islands.

There are several Towns, villages, and Ports in Tamil Nadu which were mentioned by Greek
visitors. thats why the serendipity was came to greek language.

9 ஆகஸட
Aniket Sengupta#
lanka-gem or gold
to be truthful.........acc 2 myths lanka is of gold----svarna lanka
bt frm ancient times till today....lanka is the largest producer of natural gems g.either one
holds good

@ravi...........

sanskrit at the moment seems nt to b a descendant tamil,atleast nt a direct one........

and regarding thoughtlessness calling gold suvarna shudnt coz much havoc.........
fire is called pavaka or purifier bt i think water, herbs n sunlight also hav such
qualities.......origin of nouns r mostly onomatopoeic and also derived frm adjective or qualities
of the thing in consideration like.......vishnu being called unpendra.....like air being called
maruta( menaing "dont cry" in sanskrit-when indra tried to slay the wind god as a foetus, he
said so)

these shud nt b streched to some creepy logics

however its very true that tamil contrary to our common opinion is a very very ancient
tradition and with loan words all over the world......

iam a botanist n i knw several latin words r of tamil origin


eg: oryza(rice in latin) and also rice(english) clearly seem to me derived frm tamil "arisi"

9 ஆகஸட
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
In Tamil dictionaries including Telugu, Srilanka was mentioned as Rathinaththeeevu/Rathna
Divi respecitvely. Burma alone was mentioned as Suvarna Bhumi/swarna Bhumi. At present
also, Srilanka is named for Gems.

11 ஆகஸட
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
aniket you are really a gem

12 ஆகஸட
Aniket Sengupta#
-------In Tamil, Ilangu means shining like gem/Mani. Hence Tamilian calls Srilanka as Ilangai
which means the shining country (due to Gem). More particularly Ilangu also means island.
Hence the Srilanka was also called as ilangai as it is an island.--------

This may b possible under the possible of reverse sankritisation….perhaps saskrit speakers
found “Ilangu” difficult to pronounce so it becomes lanka….like in english
jagannath becomes juggernaut……
sirajuddaula becomes ”sir Rodger dollar”
rabindranath thakur become tagore

in Sanskrit-----

like “anglo” become “aangla”(eg-aangla bhaashaa) in Sanskrit

maxmuller is “maksha-mular”
banga(Bengal) is vanga (Bengali doesn’t recognize any “v”-sound)

in modern north Indian languages----


table is “taybeel”
saskrit being dominantly donating type…its very difficult to establish the reverse process…
Sanskrit imbibing words…bt in case of ancient words n local names of s.india, dravidain origin
may b held supreme.

Even seemingly Sanskrit words like kavery , oundra(Andhra) dnt hav any proper meaning…a
name of lord shiva is shambhu which sounds like Sanskrit bt is frm tamil meaning copper
colour or red

12 ஆகஸட
Bahman
Serendipity from Persian
Etymology: from its possession by the heroes of the Persian fairy tale The Three Princes of
Serendip

http://www.answers.com/Serendipity

http://livingheritage.org/three_princes.htm

13 ஆகஸட
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
@Bahman
****From the characters in the Persian fairy tale The Three Princes of Serendip, who made
such discoveries, from Persian Sarandīp, Sri Lanka, from Arabic sarandīb.] from
http://www.answers.com/Serendipity

If serendipity be a Sanskrit word, then surely the word swarna dweepa has to be pronounced
as hwarnadweepa in Persian, as in that language and Avesthan languages, the letter "S" has
to be pronounced to be "H". e.g. "asura as ahura".

From this it is clear that word not pronounced with initial "S" in Persian language. Hence
Serendipity is surely not a Sanskrit word.

Thanks Mr. Bahman.

13 ஆகஸட
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
@aniket

****This may b possible under the possible of reverse sankritisation….perhaps saskrit


speakers found “Ilangu” difficult to pronounce so it becomes lanka….like in english

aniket is right

14 ஆகஸட
Bahman
இரவ ி/రవ
In Persian & Avestan we have many words that start with letter "S" .
Like Soroush, Sepantaa, Sepehr ...
Aniket Sengupta#
s/h replacement of aventan n vedic language is beyond doubt..............asura of vedas
becomes ahura of avesta ............and soma becomes homa(both retained in
sanskrit)........avestan n its present descendant persian prefers ushma-varna क ख za,ha,sha,
etc……..

17 ஆகஸட
Rajesh
@ravi
Dear madam

it is also proved by named etymologist that there are several Tamil words in sanskrit language.

Please give some examples???

17 ஆகஸட
Rajesh
The sanskrit scholers state that the etymology of swarna was derived from su+varna that
means good colour. then swarna alone is having good colour and rest of gems are not having
good colour according to them. what a thinking.

The true Tamil Etymology is "sol" which means red and shining. from it, the Tamil word
Sonnam was derived. still sanskrit scholors use both suwarna and swarna without giving
proper etymology.

as i told earlier, sri lanka is named for rathna/Mani(Gems) and not for swarna (Gold). The
word Cheran was the correct application for the word "seren"

Well I don't disagree that Swarna is from su+varna. But both *Su-* and *varna* are from
sanskrit. Varna means color in skt and Su- means good as used in Su-kanya, Su-kumar, Su-
gandha, Su-kul etc and many more...

Hae you ever read Ramayana?.. ...All hindus know Lanka was of Gold. So this is second proof
that Lanka was called Swarna Dweep....not after king cheren

17 ஆகஸட
Rajesh
@In Sanskrit, the etymology of Swarna and dweepa is joking. swarna means good colour and
dweepa means island surrounded by two side according to sanskrit pundits.

No. In skt Dweep means land surrounded by all sides. As andaman nicobar dweep/deep,
lakshdwep, maaldweep.....
Now swarna doesn't only mean good color.....it gold as well........as Swarna Padak (Gold
Medal).....

17 ஆகஸட
Rajesh
Ravi...

Tamil (Thilagan) is from skt (Tilak)......

I know one Arabian Word Dil (Heart) is used in Tamil as (Thill)...now tell me whether Dil came
from Thill or Vice Versa?

17 ஆகஸட
Rajesh
@In Tamil, Ilangu means shining like gem/Mani. Hence Tamilian calls Srilanka as Ilangai which
means the shining country (due to Gem). More particularly Ilangu also means island. Hence
the Srilanka was also called as ilangai as it is an island

Ravi ...I agree this can be true. Lanka came from tamil.....Ilangai......

But still you can't say Lanka's name was swarna dwep as well....

Because Indian it self had many names in past.....India, Bharat, Aryavarta etc...

17 ஆகஸட
Rajesh
@Bahman
Serendipity from Persian
Etymology: from its possession by the heroes of the Persian fairy tale The Three Princes of
Serendip

http://www.answers.com/Serendipity

Bahman, persian itself has many skt words.

Like Madar > Matra[skt]


Paakiza > paak (pawan) + ja ( born of ) [skt]
DarGaah > Dwar + Grih [skt]
Sharab > Sura [Skt]

...and many more

17 ஆகஸட
Aniket Sengupta#
rajesh
@Sharab > Sura [Skt]

cant uit be sura+aapa(water)=suraapa becoming persian sharab?

17 ஆகஸட
Bahman
Rajesh
Yes, Of course.
Sanskrit & Persian are coming from a great languages family: Aryan languages (Indo-Iranian)
They have same grand roots.
Also English is one of Aryan languages (Indo-European) from German family.

17 ஆகஸட
Bahman
we call water in Persian: aap or aab
Rajesh
@cant uit be sura+aapa(water)=suraapa becoming persian sharab?

Ankit,

Possible, but still it has roots in Skt word "Sura"....so sharab will be called a hindi word not
arabian or persian.

18 ஆகஸட
Bahman
in Persian we say mey

19 ஆகஸட
Rajesh
@in Persian we say mey

....Bahman ...you are not correct.....this word in persian has again come from Skt
"may/mey"........the related popular bollywood word is May-khana..

May.May in skt means "intoxicated of......."


You might have heard related hindu words to mey/may as below...

Ram-May
Krishna-May
Bhagwa-May

please let me know of you have any further question.

20 ஆகஸட
Bahman
I'm Iranian & speaking Persian
in Persian:
mey=wine
aap/aab=water

21 ஆகஸட
Rajesh
I'm Iranian & speaking Persian
in Persian:
mey=wine
aap/aab=water

Bahman,

Lot of words in persian are from sanskrit. Mey is sanskrit originally. Persian has got
this word from skt

21 ஆகஸட
Bahman
NO
Sanskrit has got this word from Persian.

21 ஆகஸட
Aniket Sengupta#
its so foolish

RAJESH--Mey is sanskrit originally. Persian has got this word from skt
BAHMAN--sanskrit has got this word from Persian.

plz they all belong to the same family....they r monophyletic....not borrowed!!

22 ஆகஸட
Rajesh
@Sanskrit has got this word from Persian.

Bahman,

Skt is much older than persian......

Urdu and persian have been borrowing/importing words from different


languages......
Even from english...!!!!

See this how rich Urdu is...

http://www.orkut.com/AlbumZoom.aspx?uid=952016732077772324&pid=1200504
406314&aid=1#pid=1200504406314
22 ஆகஸட
Rajesh
@Bahman

Even so called persian words Pakiza has also originated from skt

Pakiza = Pak (pawan skt) + J ( means - born of in skt)

22 ஆகஸட
Bahman
persian have been borrowing/importing words from different languages......
Even from english...!!!!

that's so funny
இரவி/రవ
****No. In skt Dweep means land surrounded by all sides. As Andaman microbar
Dweep/deep, lakshdwep, maaldweep.....

Truly all these Sea Islands are surrounded by all sides. I agree. However the etymological
meaning of Sanskrit is surrounded by two sides, Dwi-Two. Hence the word for Andaman
Nicobar and like Islands has to be explained by Sanskrit Pundits since they are surrounded by
sea all sides.

****Now swarna doesn't only mean good color.....it gold as well........as Swarna Padak (Gold
Medal).....

I agree that in Sanskrit the word Swarna includes both good colour and gold. However
etymology of Swarna for gold was not properly explained. Gold is having good colour as stated
by you and agreed by me. Remaining metals and gems are also having good colour.

Most of the Sanskrit words were not properly explained by those pundits with etymological
roots. E.g. Suparna (eagle) is explained by them as bird having good feathers. Even peacock
is having good feathers.

I reiterate that I am not against Sanskrit or Sanskrit etymology. I am only against wrong
etymology which includes both Tamil and Sanskrit.

23 ஆகஸட
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
@ Bahman
****In Persian & Avestan we have many words that start with letter "S" .
Like Soroush, Sepantaa, Sepehr ...

I agree that in both these languages, words starting with S are there. However the Sanskrit
word starting with S should be in Persian as H. if it is not starting with H, it is not a Sanskrit
word.
23 ஆகஸட
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
**Tamil (Thilagan) is from skt (Tilak)......

***I know one Arabian Word Dil (Heart) is used in Tamil as (Thill)...now tell me whether Dil
came from Thill or Vice Versa?

For the word heart, Desi Tamilians never uses the word Dil or Thil as alleged and averred by
you. They have their own Desi words for heart like Nenju, nenjam, ullam and the like, unlike
other Indian languages. your hearsay is totally wrong. Tamilian including me being Telugu, are
not claiming that the Arabic word Dill was a Tamil word.

7 ெேபடமபர
Rajesh
@Bahman
persian have been borrowing/importing words from different languages......
Even from english...!!!!

that's so funny

...It seems funny to you because you are listening first time. I have already given
proper reasoning to you.

7 ெேபடமபர
Rajesh
@For the word heart, Desi Tamilians never uses the word Dil or Thil as alleged and averred by
you. They have their own Desi words for heart like Nenju, nenjam, ullam and the like, unlike
other Indian languages. your hearsay is totally wrong. Tamilian including me being Telugu, are
not claiming that the Arabic word Dill was a Tamil word.

I know Tamils don't use the arabian word Thill/Dil for heart. I want to say, Tamil
speaker many times Tamilize other language word. I have see Tamils writing Dil as
Thill in mails. Thilagan is example of it.

7 ெேபடமபர
Rajesh
@Bahman,

If a word is used persian/arabian or urdu. It doens't mean that the word belong to their
languages.

Example1: Hindi Word "Sar"(Head)is used muslim names Sar-Faraz and Sar-Farosh. But *Sar*
is originated from skt word *Shir*......which is used in Shormani and Shira .....both this words
are used in old hindu text....
Example 2: Mannat (Shahrukh khan's hame name) Seems to be an Urdu/Persian words.....but
it has root in Skt word Mann(Mind)...So it's a Skt/Hindi or Indian Languages word.

7 ெேபடமபர
Bahman
Do you think Persian is not a independent language?

Persian language is like mother for many languages like Urdu, Pashtoon, ... & is like sister for
many language like Sanskrit, German, Armenian, ...

9 ெேபடமபர
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
I know Tamils don't use the arabian word Thill/Dil for heart. I want to say, Tamil speaker many
times Tamilize other language word. I have see Tamils writing Dil as Thill in mails. Thilagan is
example of it.

Since the letter "Dh" is unnecessay to Tamil Language, the letter "Th" be used to denote and
spell it as Dh without any hurdle or confusion. Dhill always be pronounced as Dhil and not Thil.
wrong spelling is common to all people. that is not fault of the language.

10 ெேபடமபர
Ramakrishnan
Modern persian (Farsi) has nothing to do with Old Persian & Avestan.

Its like comparing Hindi with Sanskrit.

10 ெேபடமபர
Bahman
No, that is not true. As an Iranian & Zoroastrian who speaks Persian & Avestan I know that
today's Persian is very similar to Old Persian but Farsi (or modern Persian) is as the same
Persian I know without Arabic words. If people want not to use surplus Arabic words instead of
Persian words.
Bahman
Modern Persian and Old Persian belong to the same family. They are not only close in
pronunciation but in Grammar.
Specially in Grammar they are same.

10 ெேபடமபர
Ramakrishnan
No one speaks avestan. Maybe you know some manthras from the gathas, that doesnt mean
you can speak the language.
Or maybe I am wrong. As far as I know, no one can speak avestan, not even zoroastrians.

10 ெேபடமபர
Ramakrishnan
Avestan grammar cannot be used for Farsi... come on.

Farsi is not even derived from avestan. It is derived from sassanian/pahlavi (middle-iranian)
and cannot be directly related to old-persian.

The zend avesta is not in avestan.

10 ெேபடமபர
Bahman
You can share more ideas & information in this cmm:

http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=1668735

11 ெேபடமபர
நீகக
இரவி/రవ
****No one speaks avestan. Maybe you know some manthras from the gathas, that doesnt
mean you can speak the language.

Brahmins who are Aryan have no mother tongue and they are speaking vernacular languages
of India. They even spell the Sanskrit manthras wrongly. I have seen a Brahmin priest who
regularly comes to our office always is enchanting those manthras adding Tamil words
(Manipravala Style- instead of using Vyapara (profession) and Ayush (life), they use Tamil
words Thozhil and Ayul in one spc manthra) and also wrongly pronouncing Sanskrit’s
alphabets (kh as k, gh as g and the like).